tanks/vehicles VAB SANTAL

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VAB SANTAL

( Système Anti-aérien Autonome Léger )

 

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DESCRIPTION

 

This is the Version of the VAB with a MILAN SANTAL missile launcher platform.

 

The Véhicule de l'Avant Blindé (VAB), which entered service in 1976, is currently the most widely used armored personnel carrier in the French Army with, in 2011, 3,585 vehicles online on the initial order of 4,000 copies for the French army. It is most commonly armed with a NATO 12.7 mm machine gun for infantry vehicles, or NATO 7.62 mm caliber on the roof for other models, but it can also be equipped with a 20 mm or 25 × 137 mm gun or missile launcher (VAB HOT).

 

To ensure air defense of tank and mechanized units and subunits from air strikes, primarily protection from helicopter gunships with anti-tank missiles, the SANTAL anti-aircraft system (Système ANTi-aerien Autonome Léger) was developed on the basis of Mistral MANPADS. SAM "SANTAL" is a universal tower installation, which can be placed on different types of army chassis.

 

HISTORY BACKGROUND

 

 

The lead developer of the SANTAL air defense system is Hispano-Suiza. The first prototype of the complex (PO1) on the Panhard ERC chassis was created in 1987. the second - in the same year on the basis of a wheeled (4x4) armored personnel carrier VAB. After testing, the Panhard ERC-based complex was selected for adoption by the French armed forces. Troop tests were completed in 1990, but the project was later discontinued for financial reasons. At the beginning of 1993, the SANTAL turret system was mounted on the chassis of the Russian BMP-3 and the Swiss MOWAG Piranha (wheel formula 8x8). The first option was intended for the United Arab Emirates, the second - for Saudi Arabia.

 

SAM "SANTAL" is a rotating tower on which are mounted two launchers (three missiles), pulse-Doppler radar detection and tracking of air targets "Rodeo-2", sights and identification system "friend or foe." The ammunition of missiles is located in the chassis and is six missiles in TPC. The possibility of manual reloading. For self-defense, a 7.62-mm machine gun is installed in the upper part of the tower, as well as four smoke bombs

 

The full combat crew of the complex consists of three people: a radio operator, the landing gear commander, the missile guidance operator, and the driver. The tower houses the equipment for the fire control system and the radar control panel. The turret system rotates 360 ° in azimuth at a speed of 50 degrees / s using an electric drive. The range of targeting launchers in elevation from -10 ° to + 60 °. In case of unforeseen circumstances, it is possible to switch to manual control of the rotation of the tower system. The guidance operator has a periscope device for a circular view of the terrain and a six-fold Sopelem M411 daylight sight, located at the front of the tower, as well as a TSor Castor type thermal imager with two fields of view on the left side of the tower. The maximum speed of the movement of the self-propelled complex on the highway is 90km / h, the power reserve is about 1000km.

 

Detection and destruction of the target occurs as follows. After detecting and recognizing a target using the Surveillance Radar, the missile turret system rotates in the azimuthal direction of the target. Onepator searches for a target using a thermal imager or telescopic sight. When a target is detected, it is automatically captured for tracking, and when the target enters the affected area, missiles are launched.

 

Radar "Rodeo-2" can detect helicopters disguised on the ground at distances over 6 km, and those in open positions - at ranges over 8 km. The detection range of flying airplanes and helicopters exceeds 12 km. At the same time can be accompanied by two goals. The radar is able to recognize and identify a flying helicopter from standing on the ground.

 

TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS

 

 

 

Dimensions and weight
Mass	13.25 tonnes
Length	5.94 m
Width	2.49 m
Height	2.53 m
Ground clearance	40 cm
Armament
Main gun	6 x MISTRAL launcher
Ammunition load	( 6 ready / ? stowed )
Machine gun	N/A
Smoke pots	4
Elevation	( ? )
Traverse range	360 degrees
Crew
Turret	1
Hull	2
Mobility
Engine	MIDS Turbo Diesel 06-20-45
Engine power	220 hp
Maximum speed on road	90 km/h
Maximum speed on the water	8 km/h
Maximum inclination	60%
Protection
Overall structure	STANAG 4569 Level 1

MISTRAL ( MISsile TRansportable Anti-aérien Léger )
Type	Surface to Air missile
Specifications
Guidance	Infrared Homing
Warhead weight	2.95 kg
Diameter	90 mm
Maximum range	~6000 m
Flight speed	800 m/s ( ~ Mach 2.6 )

 

 

 

Sources

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rbase.new-factoria.ru

 

 

chars-francais.net

 

 

books.google.fr

 

 

books.google.fr

 

 

 

 

 

Elise.

 

Edited March 19, 2019 by *Elise_DoumDoum
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[SAUBER_KH7 3,326]

Open for Discussion.

[Cephee 857]

After the introduction of the Tunguska, there is a real need of that kind of anti-air system carriers.

[Milocat 4,854]

+1 to this, would be a great SAM for France.

[Machin_10 5]

Maintenant que le Sidam a des Mistral, ce serai cool que la France en aie aussi (au sol)

[didrec 100]

Isn't there is a vertion with the 20 mm AND the missile ?

[Sylvius 369]

+1

[Cedjoe 5,482]

A nice idea for Gaijin imo would be to have only one VAB on which you could choose right before spawning to use either the Mephisto turret, the 20mm, the Santal, etc... Same could be done with the AMX-10P.

All the armament options could be unlokced progressively, starting with the 20mm.

[_Pixy 196]

+1

[Sternjaeger84 1,075]

+1, before the Roland.

[nxdefiant001 1,397]

On 28/08/2019 at 11:41, didrec said:

Isn't there is a vertion with the 20 mm AND the missile ?

I know it's a bit late but here , the unicorn

[Abaddon75 460]

18 hours ago, nxdefiant001 said:

I know it's a bit late but here , the unicorn

 

NIIIICE !! I was surching for it but can't find anything, GJ

[LeGrandSarrazin 753]

+1!!

We need at least 1 Mistral launcher!! You gave it to Italy, now let's give it to the country that manufactures and actually uses them!!!

[MS Phantasm@live 7]

On 13/09/2020 at 12:54, nxdefiant001 said:

I know it's a bit late but here , the unicorn

I can't seem to find a version with the cannons and the missiles. So I have to think it's just a version with the cannons. But I'd appreciate a link going to where you found it though, maybe I just can't find it for some reason...

But it does seem pretty simple to just mount some Mistrals on top of the guns.

If there isn't a version with both, the SANTAL should be more then enough. We do however need a modern vehicle with AA guns.

Edited December 5, 2020 by MS Phantasm@live

[Cedjoe 5,482]

51 minutes ago, MS Phantasm@live said:

I can't seem to find a version with the cannons and the missiles. So I have to think it's just a version with the cannons. But I'd appreciate a link going to where you found it though, maybe I just can't find it for some reason...

But it does seem pretty simple to just mount some Mistrals on top of the guns.

If there isn't a version with both, the SANTAL should be more then enough. We do however need a modern vehicle with AA guns.

What do you mean you can’t find it? The picture is right there 

It’s a hybrid TA.20/SANTAL turret on a VAB 6x6 chassis, very similar to a version that was exported to Egypt in the 90s (possibly late 80s) with a TA.23 turret coupled with Egyptian-built Sakr Eye or Russian SA-7 on an M113 chassis, the Sinai-23. It would be much more legit than the SIDAM Mistral imo.

 

https://twitter.com/Ninja998998/status/1054715407888728064/photo/3

Edited December 5, 2020 by Cedjoe

[Abaddon75 460]

10 hours ago, Cedjoe said:

What do you mean you can’t find it? The picture is right there 

It’s a hybrid TA.20/SANTAL turret on a VAB 6x6 chassis, very similar to a version that was exported to Egypt in the 90s (possibly late 80s) with a TA.23 turret coupled with Egyptian-built Sakr Eye or Russian SA-7 on an M113 chassis, the Sinai-23. It would be much more legit than the SIDAM Mistral imo.

 

https://twitter.com/Ninja998998/status/1054715407888728064/photo/3

Very nice found, a great idea for any event/prem, just need to know where to put it, sure the turret is french but the chassi is US and the fire controle and guns are soviet...

Edited December 6, 2020 by Abaddon75

[Cedjoe 5,482]

41 minutes ago, Abaddon75 said:

Very nice found, a great idea for any event/prem, just need to know where to put it, sure the turret is french but the chassi is US and the fire controle and guns are soviet...

If they start adding premium SPAAs yes. The chassis is US, but the whole modification was made by french companies contracted by Egypt. The chassis is from the US, the guns are from the USSR and the missiles are from the USSR/Egypt, but everything liking them to each other includng the turret and the whole FCS are french made, and egyptian funded. Another company built the Nile-23, but the Sinai-23 was the one selected to see service.

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Tbh the most logical solution would be to get the VAB with french 20mm cannons and Mistrals anyway, but those could be some interesting premiums for sure.

[ForeverAloneRage 130]

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[Zombificus 792]

With this using infrared missiles, I assume it would perform similarly to Stinger-armed SAMs like Type 93 and Ozelot. If so, it would likely slot into the same 9.0-9.3 BR range as them and give France earlier access to SAMs. Even if it wound up higher, it probably wouldn’t be the end of the world. As I understand it, the Roland 1 is fairly underwhelming as an AA, so if SANTAL was good enough to be a similar BR, it would at least provide a useful alternative. 
 

I really hope they add the VAB family soon, ideally as a group like with the Wiesels. They could plug a lot of gaps in the French tree with relatively little work since the same base hull can be reused (setting aside the 6x6 VDAA and VDAA Mistral variants for now). We’d have the VCI T.20-13 as a mid-tier AA counterpart to the R3 T20 FA-HS, the VAB MILAN as a BR 7.0 ATGM carrier (similar to Ratel 20), the VCAC Mephisto as an 8.0-8.3 ATGM carrier (similar to RakJPz 2 HOT and Shturm-S), and of course this VAB SANTAL to give a good early SAM to the AA line. 
 

I’d love to see this!

[nxdefiant001 1,397]

12 hours ago, Zombificus said:

VCI T.20-13 as a mid-tier AA counterpart to the R3 T20 FA-HS

Not stabilized, twice size, half speed, not a counterpart. VBR is, same size, same speed stabilized too, not VAB.

VCI T20 is more of a W*esel counterpart without the small size and tracks (while the true counterpart would be the VPX 5000 but only for Milan variant)

 

12 hours ago, Zombificus said:

the VAB MILAN as a BR 7.0 ATGM carrier (similar to Ratel 20)

Ratel 20 has a 20mm coax the VAB Milan has nothing, it is a best a M113 counterpart with half the range and no thermals.

The true counterpart to the Ratel 20 is the AML 20, same missiles, same 20mm gun, a bit smaller but open top.

[Yontzee 1,673]

Great to see your vehicle being added! 

[Kasukaru 2,164]

Congratulations on this model making it to the game!

[leroyonly 4,310]

As the VAB SANTAL has been implemented as per Update 2.21 Fire and Ice,

 

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