Finnish fighter tree in Swedish Aviation tree [Reworked]

[Capt_JamesTKirk 1,710]

5 minutes ago, Z3r0_ said:

 

Well I'd like a translation to English if you don't mind.

Theres nothing special, its just talking about its flights, maintenance dates in Soviet Union, accidents and scrapping.

[MattCoast 72]

55 minutes ago, Z3r0_ said:

 

Well I'd like a translation to English if you don't mind.

Tell me what do You wan't to know? There is a full English language on that book. 

[Wolf_89 2,525]

Gladly take more Finnish aircraft's in the Swedish tree.

Could be added in a Sub folder in the Swedish tree.

 

Same goes for Danish and Norwegian vehicles.

[Capt_JamesTKirk 1,710]

44 minutes ago, Wolf_89 said:

Gladly take more Finnish aircraft's in the Swedish tree.

Could be added in a Sub folder in the Swedish tree.

 

Same goes for Danish and Norwegian vehicles.

I doubt they gonna do that. Its just less money for them.

However it is still possible.

 

But than Swedish tree would not be the swedish tree anymore, just a nordic tree.

Edited April 25, 2020 by FinlandSupreme

[Capt_JamesTKirk 1,710]

According to ilmailuliitto.fi

"Suomessa olivat käytössä alkuperäinen pommikoneversio sekä tiedustelu- ja valokuvausversio R" = "In Finland, a original bomber version, recon and a photographic R versions were used"

About the Il-28's.

Regardless of what treaties said, we did operate a bomber jet with internal bomb bays. We just called them Neuvostoliittolainen Hinauskone (Soviet Towing Plane). Like we called the BAe Hawks trainers, which we did use as fighter aicraft too, even tho we were forbidden to.

Edited April 25, 2020 by FinlandSupreme

[cricket27 164]

On 13/04/2020 at 11:40, blockhaj said:

While i do think a Finnish aviation tree can be added they have more than enough unique planes for a line.

This is pretty much how I would envision their fighter line.

[Capt_JamesTKirk 1,710]

3 minutes ago, cricket27 said:

This is pretty much how I would envision their fighter line.

+ MiG-21 F-13 or BIS or both. and BAe Hawk, since operated with R-60 missiles.

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

On 14/04/2020 at 08:42, blockhaj said:

The Finns did not use the Il-28 as a bomber. After WW2 Finland was forbidden from using bombers with internal bomb bays. Also Finland only operated one Il-28, the rest were Il-28R recon planes which had cameras in their bomb bays.

What they used the original Il-28 for is not really known but it was partially used as a transportation plane.

Did I not make an entire suggestion on this subject don't act surprised here! The finns used the aircraft primarily in geographic surveying and maritime patrol roles. NH-1 was the only IL-28 unmodified and could carry internal ordinance (for maritime purposes of course). 

 

[Capt_JamesTKirk 1,710]

15 minutes ago, Private_Wolk said:

Did I not make an entire suggestion on this subject don't act surprised here! The finns used the aircraft primarily in geographic surveying and maritime patrol roles. NH-1 was the only IL-28 unmodified and could carry internal ordinance (for maritime purposes of course). 

 

mmmm yeess, maritime purposess, yeeees. mmm

[eleks12 1,079]

+1 for adding Finland into the current Swedish Trees! 

It will help fill out the holes that the tree currently suffers from currently ingame!

[blockhaj 3,559]

10 hours ago, Private_Wolk said:

NH-1 was the only IL-28 unmodified and could carry internal ordinance (for maritime purposes of course). 

Well what ordnance would it carry?

[blockhaj 3,559]

Ok so i have done some digging. The Finnish ban on bombers were revised in 1963 which allowed them to buy the IL-28. That means it could very likely have been equipped with pylons etc in the bomb bay. What bombs the Finnish had in the inventory around that era though is a Mystery.

[MattCoast 72]

13 hours ago, Private_Wolk said:

Did I not make an entire suggestion on this subject don't act surprised here! The finns used the aircraft primarily in geographic surveying and maritime patrol roles. NH-1 was the only IL-28 unmodified and could carry internal ordinance (for maritime purposes of course). 

 

There was no any other ordinance to Il-28 in our use. Only had Nudelman's.

https://i.imgur.com/HIWKYUm.jpg

 

37 minutes ago, blockhaj said:

Ok so i have done some digging. The Finnish ban on bombers were revised in 1963 which allowed them to buy the IL-28. That means it could very likely have been equipped with pylons etc in the bomb bay. What bombs the Finnish had in the inventory around that era though is a Mystery.

 

Ban was only for the internal bomb bay's after the war. Still external bomb's and pylons was allowed in FAF planes.

https://imgur.com/9fNhBAq

[Capt_JamesTKirk 1,710]

I doubt gaijin cares wether we used bombs on them or not, just that it COULD use them. There are plenty of premium/research planes that never used bombs but could use them and have them as armament options.

Edited April 26, 2020 by FinlandSupreme

[blockhaj 3,559]

4 minutes ago, FinlandSupreme said:

I doubt gaijin cares wether we used bombs on them or not, just that it COULD use them. There are plenty of premium/research planes that never used bombs but could use them and have them as armament options.

If u find incorrections in vehicles then bugreport them. The Italian M60 was fixed for example.

[Capt_JamesTKirk 1,710]

3 minutes ago, blockhaj said:

If u find incorrections in vehicles then bugreport them. The Italian M60 was fixed for example.

I am talking about planes.

example, Pyörremyrsky, never equipped with bombs, but could have been. Sm.91 and Sm.92 never equipped with bombs but could have.

all of them have bomb loadouts ingame.

Id rather not have them be removed.

Edited April 26, 2020 by FinlandSupreme

[blockhaj 3,559]

15 minutes ago, FinlandSupreme said:

I am talking about planes.

example, Pyörremyrsky, never equipped with bombs, but could have been.

Sm.91 and Sm.92 never equipped with bombs but could have.

all of them have bomb loadouts ingame.

Id rather not have them be removed.

Well those are all prototypes which were intended to use such ordnance once entering service. I was more talking about service vehicles using features and ordinances which they were never planned to use in service, such as the Finnish IL-28 carrying bombs.

[Sternjaeger84 1,075]

On 09/04/2020 at 11:53, Rieskaruisku said:

with the frogs

Hey, you know what the "frogs" tell you?

 

Btw, +1 to see a Finnish fighter line in the Swedish tree.

Edited April 26, 2020 by Sternjager

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

8 hours ago, MattCoast said:

 

There was no any other ordinance to Il-28 in our use. Only had Nudelman's.

https://i.imgur.com/HIWKYUm.jpg

 

 

Ban was only for the internal bomb bay's after the war. Still external bomb's and pylons was allowed in FAF planes.

https://imgur.com/9fNhBAq

They were used for maritime patrol roles right? If so, I imagine they would've carried some naval mines or torpedoes. It would be nice to know which ones those were. And I agree with the gentlemen above that Gaijin could care less for the sake of historical accuracy whether they actually carried bombs or not.

[blockhaj 3,559]

7 hours ago, Private_Wolk said:

They were used for maritime patrol roles right? If so, I imagine they would've carried some naval mines or torpedoes. It would be nice to know which ones those were. And I agree with the gentlemen above that Gaijin could care less for the sake of historical accuracy whether they actually carried bombs or not.

I think the plan was to use the cannons as anti ship weaponry.

[MattCoast 72]

Main idea was to use Il-28's as a recon and observation for maritime patrols. If the threat was identified it could be destroyed with anti-ship missiles from the shores or the patrol boats. Also at that time we used coastal fortifications so they could start bombardment those possible threats.

 

 

[BrooklynTheFurry 40]

I say yes.

[Borotovas 4,500]

+1

 

I want to see some Finnish Bf.109s.

[Solarmod 1,203]

6 hours ago, Borotovas said:

+1

 

I want to see some Finnish Bf.109s.

I'm thinking of just writing up a suggestion for that  

[Borotovas 4,500]

2 hours ago, Solarmod said:

I'm thinking of just writing up a suggestion for that  

 

Italy also used a lot of Bf.109s that are missing.