Tanks/Vehicles Panzerkampfwagen VIII Maus

[Emperor_Tiberius 4,493]

the problem with this tank right now is that there really is nothing that can kill it, there is no real counter to something like this in-game right now. frontally it would be immune to most everything, and even damaging it from the sides would be difficult.

 

don't get me wrong, i would love to have this vehicle in-game, but it would just be too bloody hard to kill, planes would be the only real thing able to kill it....and in sim battles that would be a rare occurrence and it could potentially steamroll everything

[Konstantinos_XI 16]

Are you trolling? Or do you just havent read this suggestion topic?

 

What you say is WRONG (if i am allowed to use CAPSLOCK like you xD) because the Maus existed, it may be not went into mass production or saw combat but it existed, there where 2 Prototypes build! Even one of your other examples is WRONG , there was also 1 Prototype of the Panther II .

 

And I dont want this suggestion to be flame topic this is not about WoT , this is about War Thunder! And since i played WT i will never go back to WoT!

 

With your logic you would denie yourself to play this game because we have enough prototype Planes in it, so.... I dont have a problem with it, you know you have to seperate a prototype and a blueprint!

If you do not believe me just take a look at some Planes or tanks in Wikipedia.

 

Regards

Master-M-Master

 

A prototype means NOTHING.
You like fantasy tanks game? Lucky you, I'm looking for TRUE HISTORY, not bullshit.

[SupermarioPS 5,374]

A prototype means NOTHING.
You like fantasy tanks game? Lucky you, I'm looking for TRUE HISTORY, not bullshit.

LOL

 

Okay, let's think about what you just said:

You do not wnt to play a fantasy game, but instead an historic one.

Okay, wrong GAME mate.

 

• F-80C & F9F vs Me262
• P-80A vs Bf109G10
• He122 vs F4U-1a
• Zero vs Meteor F.3
• Ki-200 vs MiG-9
• TigerB vs IS-4M
• IS-3 vs. Jagdpanther

1. I-185
2. Seameteor
3. XP-55
4. XP-50
5. XF5F
6. Me262A1/U4 with Mk214
7. TigerB 105mm
8. Panther2 (Gaijin Variant)
9. Su-122P

Shall I go on? :Ds  Sorry, as much as I want historic accuracy as you. You fail to see that we both play the wrong game.

Gaijin's logic must be applied for further game-development discussion :crazy:

[Master0M0Master 164]

A prototype means NOTHING.
You like fantasy tanks game? Lucky you, I'm looking for TRUE HISTORY, not bullshit.

 

Ok i classify you now as a Troll, because you do not explain your opinion neither do you try, to discuss in a nice manner.

You know CAPSLOCK does not help you to get others to understand your opinion, imagine in reallife if you discuss and except explaining your idea you start yelling at the other one.

Improve your arguments , but do not raise your voice.

 

1. "A prototype means NOTHING." - Wrong, because you cant get something into mass production without  a functioning prototype. You allways need a prototype to collect first data from.

2."You like fantasy tanks game?" - No, and cause of that i play WT. You seem to think the Maus is a fantasy tank, maybe its your own fantasy that you think this is  a fantasy tank? Cause it is not a fantasy tank!

3. "TRUE HISTORY" - Capslock again

4." I'm looking for TRUE HISTORY" - Ok then dont play this game, if you want TRUE HISTORY then buy a original tank/plane and some history books and have fun with that, because WT is not TRUE HISTORY, its a simulation and has its own focus on Realism but it aint History.

5."Lucky you....not bullshit" - Get your stuff together, you speaking to me like you would personally charge me, and if you keep that tone i will count it as a personal attack!

 

Regards

Master-M-Master :salute:

Edited June 12, 2014 by Master0M0Master

[EPSNtheGATOR 4,944]

A prototype means NOTHING.
You like fantasy tanks game? Lucky you, I'm looking for TRUE HISTORY, not bullshit.

 

 

(not tanks but point is same)

Edited June 12, 2014 by EPSNtheGATOR

[Carrmatt93 4,068]

the problem with this tank right now is that there really is nothing that can kill it, there is no real counter to something like this in-game right now. frontally it would be immune to most everything, and even damaging it from the sides would be difficult.

 

don't get me wrong, i would love to have this vehicle in-game, but it would just be too bloody hard to kill, planes would be the only real thing able to kill it....and in sim battles that would be a rare occurrence and it could potentially steamroll everything

 

so basically just like the IS-4M is now then?

[Emperor_Tiberius 4,493]

so basically just like the IS-4M is now then?

shoot the IS-4 in the side or back with another rank 5 and it will die. Maus? *maybe* but at range probably not. plus it has the same gun as the jagdtiger. so insane  armor+insane gun

[Major_Shaker 2,633]

Hey wanna play some MAUS or other, for me non, exciting tanks? Go play World of Tanks the experimental tanks that came to life with given SerB's statistics to it. :crazy:

[weetle 1,933]

Consider the following. IS-4M is in game, we remove mini map in SB, and the maus is a big slow target. You can flank it pretty well since it has no maneuverability. Penning is another thing, but it doesn't matter since germans get locked at tier 1 because T-50s can't be penned by most of the german T1 tanks.

[Master0M0Master 164]

Hey wanna play some MAUS or other, for me non, exciting tanks? Go play World of Tanks the experimental tanks that came to life with given SerB's statistics to it. :crazy:

 

Honestly could you guys stop doing this?

This game is not WoT , it is WT , so there is no evedince that this game is like WoT , or why do you still play WT?

 

Please stop comparing this game to the "shitty" WoT, it aint WoT!

 

Regards

Master-M-Master :salute:

[Carrmatt93 4,068]

shoot the IS-4 in the side or back with another rank 5 and it will die. Maus? *maybe* but at range probably not. plus it has the same gun as the jagdtiger. so insane  armor+insane gun

 

considering that the Maus's LOS armour values turn out to be worse than the IS-4's (if my calculations are correct, and note the diagram is for an IS-4 not an IS-4M), then that point is pretty moot, especially since the Jagdtigers gun struggles to penetrate the IS-4's frontal armour, and good luck flanking in a maus...

 

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Edited June 12, 2014 by Carrmatt93

[SupermarioPS 5,374]

shoot the IS-4M in the side or back with another rank 5 and it will die. Maus? *maybe* but at range probably not. plus it has the same gun as the jagdtiger. so insane  armor+insane gun

This is an IS-4. Notice, no M

Our IS-4M has +20mm frontal hull & +30mm rear turret armour

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This is an IS-4. Notice, no M

Our IS-4M has +20mm frontal hull & +30mm rear turret armour

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Now the Maus: [spoiler]

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I really like that IS-4M angled armour has nearly the same values as the Maus.

It doesnt even has the Maus' shottrap. Is tinier and more mobile.

The IS-4M is in any regard better, but the gun.

 

EDIT: ninja'd ;_;

Edited June 12, 2014 by SupermarioPS

[EPSNtheGATOR 4,944]

shoot the IS-4 in the side or back with another rank 5 and it will die. Maus? *maybe* but at range probably not. plus it has the same gun as the jagdtiger. so insane  armor+insane gun

if germans can flank then russians can flank too right? + it's easier to flank maus than is-4. not even talking about the fact that T-54 can just call artillery via UAV drone

 

inb4 panthers2 can call arty on is-4m too, well yeah but IS-4 can escape))

Edited June 12, 2014 by EPSNtheGATOR

[Master0M0Master 164]

So why then are we arguing that the Maus needs a counter tank if we already have a Maus 2.0 (IS-4m) ingame? :crazy:

 

But now honestly, it seems to me now, that the last counterargument to not implement the Maus has been wiped out? Or is it just me who got that feeling?

 

Regards

Master-M-Master :salute:

[Xyrothryu 301]

This is an IS-4. Notice, no M

Our IS-4M has +20mm frontal hull & +30mm rear turret armour

[spoiler]

This is an IS-4. Notice, no M

Our IS-4M has +20mm frontal hull & +30mm rear turret armour

[/spoiler]

Now the Maus: [spoiler]

[/spoiler]

I really like that IS-4M angled armour has nearly the same values as the Maus.

It doesnt even has the Maus' shottrap. Is tinier and more mobile.

The IS-4M is in any regard better, but the gun.

 

EDIT: ninja'd ;_;

 

Just pointing out the IS-4m does have a shot trap. The frontal armour is good, however just aim for the drivers hatch to pen. My jagdtiger one hits them at over a km.

 

As for the maus, it would be quite overpowered simply due to the fact the 122 has no hope in ever penetrating the tank. even at point blank range. And since the Maus would do 10-13kmh you would see it miles away and its shooting the 128 back at you. As much as id like to see it, you can't introduce a tank that only the T54 can kill, and thats at point blank range with APCR.

 

And if we argue that other german tanks would kill it, yes perhaps. But no one plays anything but RB and SB rank 5 tanks.

 

 

So if they did introduce it, they simply need to give the Russians a new TD like the ISU-130 so that something could kill it.

Edited June 12, 2014 by Xyrothryu

[SupermarioPS 5,374]

Just pointing out the IS-4m does have a shot trap. The frontal armour is good, however just aim for the drivers hatch to pen. My jagdtiger one hits them at over a km.

 

As for the maus, it would be quite overpowered simply due to the fact the 122 has no hope in ever penetrating the tank. even at point blank range. And since the Maus would do 10-13kmh you would see it miles away and its shooting the 128 back at you. As much as id like to see it, you can't introduce a tank that only the T54 can kill, and thats at point blank range with APCR.

 

And if we argue that other german tanks would kill it, yes perhaps. But no one plays anything but RB and SB rank 5 tanks.

 

 

So if they did introduce it, they simply need to give the Russians a new TD like the ISU-130 so that something could kill it.

Not really, at all.

The IS-4 and IS-3 had bugs with their frontal armour. Tehy will be fixed.

And the 100m D10S and 122m can pen the maus from the side.

And what should the Tiger and Panther do against IS-4M? Also the shottrap n the IS4 is ultra small.

And a much smaller target to hit. Unlike the Maus.

[Xyrothryu 301]

 

This is one of the two Prototypes that was driven over months to Kubinka. It is not a napkin tank as you can see. Reliability with the U-Boat engine wasn't as bad as you would think. It would only get stuck a lot, not pass bridges, destroy streets and wear down parts at abnormal speeds. It went through multiple sets of tracks on the way as well as brakes, Oil and Diesel.

And it would be indestructible, but not undefeatable. One penetrating hit in the lower glacis and the thing doesn't move anymore. Hits to the tracks do the same. Killing a Maus wasn't meant to be easy business, it shouldn't be in WT.

 

Just pointing out, the lower glasis has nothing to do with driving the tank. It has no transmission. Its engine works as a generator to power the electric motors that drive the tank. Which are kept at the back. Its a hybrid 

[Xyrothryu 301]

Not really, at all.

The IS-4 and IS-3 had bugs with their frontal armour. Tehy will be fixed.

And the 100m D10S and 122m can pen the maus from the side.

And what should the Tiger and Panther do against IS-4M? Also the shottrap n the IS4 is ultra small.

And a much smaller target to hit. Unlike the Maus.

 

There is no bug with the drivers hatch on the IS4, it was a weakpoint. Its not as sloped, its almost flat all things considered. As for the shot trap, its pretty big. If a shot hits anywhere on the lower half of the turret, it will rioche into the drivers hatch which is 20mm (Soon™™ to be 30mm in patch) thick on top, or into the turret ring. Hit the hull, and it bounces into the turret bottom. However the turret bottom is rather thick.

 

 

As for those guns, yes they can pen it. But at point blank range, perfectly flat on. if the tank is angled at all it will bounce.

 

Edit**

 

Not saying i don't want the maus added, being i play germans tanks in this and WoT, I just can see it being hugely op verse the current tanks its facing

Edited June 12, 2014 by Xyrothryu

[Master0M0Master 164]

I dont think it will be that OP since every russian tank is fast and agile enough to circle the Maus, and then the Maus is dead^^

 

Regards

Master-M-Master :salute:

[SupermarioPS 5,374]

There is no bug with the drivers hatch on the IS4, it was a weakpoint. Its not as sloped, its almost flat all things considered. As for the shot trap, its pretty big. If a shot hits anywhere on the lower half of the turret, it will rioche into the drivers hatch which is 20mm (Soon™™™™™™™™ to be 30mm in patch) thick on top, or into the turret ring. Hit the hull, and it bounces into the turret bottom. However the turret bottom is rather thick.

 

 

As for those guns, yes they can pen it. But at point blank range, perfectly flat on. if the tank is angled at all it will bounce.

 

Edit**

 

Not saying i don't want the maus added, being i play germans tanks in this and WoT, I just can see it being hugely op verse the current tanks its facing

Again, there is a bug with the IS-4 frontal armour. Even my 20mm Panzer2 can penetrate it.

Also it was the advantage of the IS4M to have 140mm of 35° armour (30° equal a factor of 2x).

And to repeat myself again: The trapshot is ultra small on the IS-4 aka the lower turret. Which after the bounce still needs to go through 140mm @ 70°

Not unlike the 50mm on Maus, with its massive turret.

The IS-4M is the better Maus and more difficult to kill.

 

EDIT: I just killed it with my Aufklärungspanzer 38t

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Edited June 12, 2014 by SupermarioPS

[MalagVonBaul 661]

+1 Give me that "little" maus :)

[Konstantinos_XI 16]

Ok i classify you now as a Troll, because you do not explain your opinion neither do you try, to discuss in a nice manner.

You know CAPSLOCK does not help you to get others to understand your opinion, imagine in reallife if you discuss and except explaining your idea you start yelling at the other one.

Improve your arguments , but do not raise your voice.

 

1. "A prototype means NOTHING." - Wrong, 

2."You like fantasy tanks game?" - No, and cause of that i play WT. You seem to think the Maus is a fantasy tank, maybe its your own fantasy that you think this is  a fantasy tank? Cause it is not a fantasy tank!

3. "TRUE HISTORY" - Capslock again

4." I'm looking for TRUE HISTORY" - Ok then dont play this game, if you want TRUE HISTORY then buy a original tank/plane and some history books and have fun with that, because WT is not TRUE HISTORY, its a simulation and has its own focus on Realism but it aint History.

5."Lucky you....not bullshit" - Get your stuff together, you speaking to me like you would personally charge me, and if you keep that tone i will count it as a personal attack!

 

Regards

Master-M-Master :salute:

 

 

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We all know what a prototype is, and there is still no reason to add a prototype in game.

If it was never mass produced and it never fought a battle, it's a nonsense to have it.

 

You are good only for WoT, if you think adding these kind of prototypes it's something that makes this game an historically correct simulator. Maus IS a fantasy tank because it never became a real tank, it was only a damn prototype.

[MalagVonBaul 661]

It would be like KV-1 - hard to kill but slow and huge ;)

[Master0M0Master 164]

 

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We all know what a prototype is, and there is still no reason to add a prototype in game.

If it was never mass produced and it never fought a battle, it's a nonsense to have it.

 

You are good only for WoT, if you think adding these kind of prototypes it's something that makes this game an historically correct simulator. Maus IS a fantasy tank because it never became a real tank, it was only a damn prototype.

 

 

Ok you crossed the line, you sir got reported, I warned you you should better your manner, i will not discuss or answer to your "stuff" on this topic any more. :learn:

I dont need to speak with trolls like you !

 

Regards

Master-M-Master :salute:

[Querulous1 3,276]

Actually, it was ordered into mass production : many part made Maus were buried when the factory was bombed. Its simply an accident of history that it was not completed in small numbers, sufficent to make this argument redundant. The West then whitewashed it from hisstory - many people still maintain the example that survives is a fake !