Ground vehicles Spahpanzer RU-251, German T5 light tank proposal

[kevQC 2,814]

Yes, and we're actively trying to fix that.  Don't get in the way.

Oh sorry, didn't know you were a developer.

[CokeSpray 7,274]

Oh sorry, didn't know you were a developer.

Yes, and we're actively trying to fix that.  Don't get in the way.

Too bad War Thunder is neither of those.

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[DavidXD 1,355]

Good idea !

+1

 

However, you should edit the original post to add more data, pictures (blueprint if possible), to give us a better idea of this tank.

[HauntTheShinyy 1,115]

oh, that tank looks so nice, yes would be great to see that tank in WT :) :) 

[Jan_Gustl_WT 1,746]

When the tank was to replace the M41 Walker Bulldog, why not we have then the Walker Bulldog for the german liht tanks and at the top the Spähpanzer RU 251?

I support it!

[Gusano_Gigante 459]

Pt-85 and Ru-251 in the 1.57 (br 7.3 pls russian snail). :yes: Edited February 7, 2016 by Caca_Negra

[Results45 2,200]

Germany is still lacking in top tier vehicles to compete with the USSR and the US.  Germany only has 2 Postwar designs at present.

 

The Spahpanzer RU-251 would be a good final addition to the German light tank line:

 

Basic info:

Basically it's a JPz 4-5 with a turret mounting the same 90mm gun as the original tank destroyer.  So literally just a Jpz 4-5 with a turret, nothing more.

 

Would be a BR 7.7 light tank of course.

 

I see you're a little short on info....hope this helps!

 

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• Dimensions: 6.2 mx 3 mx 2.49 m
• Crew: 4
• Weight: 24 tons (loaded)
• Speed: 78 ~ 80 km / h
• Armament: 90 mm PzK
• Engine: Daimler-Benz diesel, 500 hp
• Ground pressure: 0.70 kg / sq.cm

Brief History:

Fighting vehicle, which appeared a few years before they went on stage the first Leopards, and in a completely unexpected weight category, - (!) Weight of this unit is only 24 tons, it is difficult to pull on average a tank, not that main.

 

RU 251 Prototype SpPz mit 90mm BK

The machine was built in 1963 on the program of replacing aging tanks M41 Walker Bulldog in the German army, where they were armed reconnaissance battalions, tank divisions and other similar units. But by the mid-60s his gun could only frighten the latest Soviet tanks, so one of the main requirements for the new car was a new instrument.

 

They became the 90-mm gun Rheinmetall production, which has already had a decent chance to penetrate the frontal armor of Soviet tanks, especially the cumulative projectile about the combined obstacles (such as applied to the T-64) had not yet heard. So, get a prototype reconnaissance vehicle was in general quite good, with one small "but" he had a very strong competitor. A competitor it was slightly weaker, but based on the already well developed industry and troops through machine « the HS 30 90mm Bord the K mit «, which, after comparative tests and has become the main direction of development.

 

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http://panzer-journal.ru/news/nemeckij-topovyj-lt-8.html

 

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RU251 Historical Characteristics

Posted on July 28, 2014 by Silentstalker

 

just a quick rundown of the RU251, upcoming tier 8 light tank. The numbers come from a reliable source, its author however does not wish to be listed as some of the materials concerning this tank are actually still considered confidential by the Bundeswehr.

 

 

The picture above was taken recently. The location of the tank is currently confidential and to be quite honest, taking pictures of it is not exactly something people should do, that’s why the picture is so scrambled. There were more pictures taken and Wargaming has them at their disposal, hence the historical accuracy of the RU251 model in the game.

 

Empty weight: 24 tons
Combat weight: 25,5 tons
Engine type: MB 837 Aa. (same engine as the Jagdpanzer Kanone, V8 multifuel)
Engine output: 500 horsepower
Power-to-weight: 19,6 hp/t
Maximum speed: 80 km/h

Gun: 90mm Bord Kanone (firing AP/HEAT/HESH in the game, all rounds historical – AP round was called DM13, could be fired from 90mm M36/M41 in German service).

 

 

Armor:

Front – 30mm
Side – 20mm
Rear – 8mm
Mantlet – 30mm
Turret – 20mm

 

History (published earlier)

 

The Spähpanzer Kette was designed to replace the Germany Army’s old American M41 light tanks in the reconnaissance role. Its development began in 1960 and a prototype was completed in 1963. It mounted a Rheinmetall turret armed with the 90mm Bordkanone as used in the Jagdpanzer Kanone.

 

By the middle of the 1960s the Leopard tank was in production and it was decided that reconnaissance units did not need their own specialist vehicles. The development of the Spähpanzer Kette was dropped without any further vehicles being built and its role was given over to the Leopard. With hindsight, this may have been a hasty move as the wheeled Spähpanzer Luchs was eventually developed to take back this role from the Leopard.

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http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/07/28/ru251-historical-characteristics/

Edited February 12, 2016 by Results45

[Cpt_Bel_V 4,789]

it can't be a final addition, because you always want more with don't know how you're vehicule are great.

[stefffff1871 2,448]

+1 from me but i hope for some more leopard versions, too

[RyanDrDj 17]

Nice ! 

[Renamed99495 3,247]

-nvm-

 

Looking forward for that tonk

Edited February 25, 2016 by p0nyrider

[_PabloSniper_ 2,142]

German T5 need it

 

 

BIG +1 :Ds 

 

 

 

Sure, but one correction.

............ So literally just a baby Leopard.

he is not a baby leopard

it's just a JPZ 4-5 with a turret

 

 

see for yourself.

same engine, same suspension, same chassis and the same gun

Edited March 1, 2016 by _PabloSniper_

[CXK114514 147]

Looks pretty good ，hope to see it in patch 1.59. Edited March 22, 2016 by KPzLeopard2

[Kazumi_ 6,575]

I'd prefer the Spahpanzer 1 c. Smaller and better, a German PT-76b only without the boat mode and slightly worse armor.

[Results45 2,200]

I'd prefer the Spahpanzer 1 c. Smaller and better, a German PT-76b only without the boat mode and slightly worse armor.

 

The RU 251 would be roughly on-par with the T49 (90mm variant of the M41) so IMO it's reasonably Germany's endgame light tank:

 

Unofficial expanded German release tree (by Currus_Loricatus):

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Official T49 documentation: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/395255.pdf

RU 251 history & specs:

[spoiler]

• Dimensions: 6.2 mx 3 mx 2.49 m
• Crew: 4
• Weight: 24 tons (loaded)
• Speed: 78 ~ 80 km / h
• Armament: 90 mm PzK
• Engine: Daimler-Benz diesel, 500 hp
• Ground pressure: 0.70 kg / sq.cm

Brief History:

Fighting vehicle, which appeared a few years before they went on stage the first Leopards, and in a completely unexpected weight category, - (!) Weight of this unit is only 24 tons, it is difficult to pull on average a tank, not that main.

 

RU 251 Prototype SpPz mit 90mm BK

The machine was built in 1963 on the program of replacing aging tanks M41 Walker Bulldog in the German army, where they were armed reconnaissance battalions, tank divisions and other similar units. But by the mid-60s his gun could only frighten the latest Soviet tanks, so one of the main requirements for the new car was a new instrument.

 

They became the 90-mm gun Rheinmetall production, which has already had a decent chance to penetrate the frontal armor of Soviet tanks, especially the cumulative projectile about the combined obstacles (such as applied to the T-64) had not yet heard. So, get a prototype reconnaissance vehicle was in general quite good, with one small "but" he had a very strong competitor. A competitor it was slightly weaker, but based on the already well developed industry and troops through machine « the HS 30 90mm Bord the K mit «, which, after comparative tests and has become the main direction of development.

 

[/spoiler]

http://panzer-journal.ru/news/nemeckij-topovyj-lt-8.html

Edited April 27, 2016 by Results45

[stefffff1871 2,448]

there are very interesting vehicles

[AtomicPope 3,953]

I'd prefer the Spahpanzer 1 c. Smaller and better, a German PT-76b only without the boat mode and slightly worse armor.

 

We should get both eventually. They were both built and more high tier vehicles would make MM easier and probably better balance matches too given the right BR.

[Quasimodo91 3,325]

yes yes.

i'm not fan of light tanks but if gun of light tank is awesome[M41A1 Walker Bulldog]  ,then i love it.

[WakeUpdude 33]

yes +1

[WulfPack 1,693]

Something I'm curious about, did they consider mounting the L7 on it?

[Results45 2,200]

Something I'm curious about, did they consider mounting the L7 on it?

 

There's very little information available to the public on the RU 251

 

Even so, I doubt it.

[WulfPack 1,693]

There's very little information available to the public on the RU 251

 

Even so, I doubt it.

Is it still classified? 

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

Is it still classified? 

Yep, though no one really knows why.

[WulfPack 1,693]

Yep, though no one really knows why.

Some countries are just like that with projects. A certain Soviet battleship from 1941 is still classified.

This LT works at 7.7, correct?

[Mercedes4321 4,695]

Some countries are just like that with projects. A certain Soviet battleship from 1941 is still classified.

This LT works at 7.7, correct?

It should have pretty similar stats to the Jpz 4-5 in almost every single category, except the parts where it is better because it has a turret. I would imagine it would work well at 7.7.