ground vehicles Super M60AX - The Final Patton Tank

[RefrigerRaider 563]

the m60s are food for tier 6, this upgrade is appropriate if we want the m60s to be competitive at tier 6

[muzzleflash98 1,697]

21 hours ago, RefrigerRaider said:

the m60s are food for tier 6, this upgrade is appropriate if we want the m60s to be competitive at tier 6

 

Or just give the RISE (P) ammunition that wasn't obsolete 10+ years before it was ever in that configuration 

[kev2go 5,112]

1 hour ago, muzzleflash98 said:

 

Or just give the RISE (P) ammunition that wasn't obsolete 10+ years before it was ever in that configuration 

 

bu bu bu RISE p needs to be free XP pinyata.

 

God forbid a Legacy tank be able to fight back any way and threaten Poor T64A any more &  or be able to try to take on T64B . The poor Russians already having a handful dealing with  overated Nato Bias M1 abrams 

Edited March 24, 2018 by kev2go

[WayOfTheWolk 1,573]

Given the current circumstances this might be the one of the last modern prototypes that I actually feel good about. I would enjoy seeing this as a rank 5 re-searchable given its BR is adequately balanced. Lets see what happens.

[Results45 2,200]

Can you please add a BR-placement poll question?

[Admiral_Aruon 2,264]

6 hours ago, Results45 said:

Can you please add a BR-placement poll question?

 

with almost 200 votes already i think a BR poll might be redundant at this point.

[Results45 2,200]

On 26/05/2018 at 21:49, Admiral_Aruon said:

 

with almost 200 votes already i think a BR poll might be redundant at this point.

 

Not really because at least for the people who still have yet to give a vote (or revote) can voice their recommendation to the developers on what Battle Rating the M60AX should sit at. 

I say it should sit after the M60A1 RISE (P) on the tree at BR 9.0 (alongside the MBT/Kpz-70, XM803, T-64A, Chieftain Mk.10, and Leopard 2K). 

Edited June 4, 2018 by Results45

[XDrake991 278]

Definitely a good addition.

[EL337GH0ST 195]

This should've been added instead of the XM803, but maybe it can be added at 8.3 to verse the Leopard A1A1?

[Results45 2,200]

6 hours ago, EL337GH0ST said:

This should've been added instead of the XM803, but maybe it can be added at 8.3 to verse the Leopard A1A1?

 

Leo 1s don't have composite armor. The M60AX is worth going against things that also have composite armor with equivalent firepower or better firepower without composite (i.e. Leo 2K, Kpz-70, Chieftain Mk.10, Vickers Mk.4, AMX-40, OF-40, T-64/64A/72/72V/72A).

Edited June 6, 2018 by Results45

[WulfPack 1,693]

isnt the slep the last patton

[Results45 2,200]

On 06/06/2018 at 12:28, WulfPack said:

isnt the slep the last patton

 

Yes the M60A3 SLEP TTS has an upgraded 950hp engine, modern sights/turret drive, added armor & 120mm gun but it doesn't natively have composite armor.

Edited June 8, 2018 by Results45

[EL337GH0ST 195]

On 06/06/2018 at 04:44, Results45 said:

 

Leo 1s don't have composite armor. The M60AX is worth going against things that also have composite armor with equivalent firepower or better firepower without composite (i.e. Leo 2K, Kpz-70, Chieftain Mk.10, Vickers Mk.4, AMX-40, OF-40, T-64/64A/72/72V/72A).

Yeah, it would probably be too powerful for that BR, but there is no point in playing the M60A1 at 8.3 because of all the uptiers, and on an equal BR you have  a tank faster than you that can shoot APFSDS which negates any of your armor at any range, and the M60 isn't fast to counteract that.

[Results45 2,200]

15 hours ago, EL337GH0ST said:

Yeah, it would probably be too powerful for that BR, but there is no point in playing the M60A1 at 8.3 because of all the uptiers, and on an equal BR you have  a tank faster than you that can shoot APFSDS which negates any of your armor at any range, and the M60 isn't fast to counteract that.

 

Well the Super Patton is essentially a composite M60A3 so there's no way it could be placed below BR 9.0 and if what you want is for Cold War M60s to not face present-day MBTs then you would need to lower all of them by 0.7 (which is also not likely to happen).

[*SGTBushong 104]

This would be a welcome addition at 9.0 or 9.3 depending on the ammo available. Good work.

Edited June 25, 2018 by *SGTBushong

[Baconator100012@psn 929]

This is what what we should've gotten, not the XM-803.

[SoupMcT@psn 344]

On 27/09/2017 at 19:36, *AceArchangel said:

Hello again!

 

 

Today I would like to make a suggestion for all new American Tier VI tank, of course this suggestion follows suit with the MBT-70 as a prototype, although it is well within the games limitations and the features of this tank are too good to pass up on. The Super M60 (Super 60) officially designated M60AX was a late modification of the Battle hardened M60 platform the A3 model to be exact and was to be a sort of final Patton design, it was to make the current M60 platform capable of dealing with its more modern counterparts. The Super M60 was a program from the early 1980's and the vehicle itself carried with it many updates including to the old M60s, a new V12 diesel engine rated at 1,180 hp, a new automatic transmission with 4 forward and 4 reverse gears, combined they bumped the Super M60 to a power to weight ratio of 21.53hp/tonne with a maximum top speed of 72 km/h! It also had a new smoother hydropneumatic strut suspension system (non variable), the upgraded 105mm/L52 M68A1 gun, the internal 7.62mm M73 MG was replaced with a 7.62mm M240C (same number of ammunition), the top mounted 12.7mm HMG was slightly changed to it's manually fired variant (not represented in game). The electronics on board were exactly the same as the M60A3 with its newer range finder, thermal imaging and ballistics computer system (again not represented in game).

 

Front/Right Side View

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Although the absolute largest addition is the all new armour layout, the original turret has been encased in a new applique composite spaced armour, making far more angular and less rounded, A new layer of laminated steel (possibly composite spaced armour) was also added to the front of the tank as well giving it a far more sleek and angled slope. Extra steel was also placed on the top and read of the vehicle as well as new side skirt plating with spall lining, some of the armour values are hard to find, but this is the story with many tanks like the MBT-70/KPz-70/Ru-251/Type 87 SPAAG. With a completed plan and one prototype being produced, the vehicle update was ultimately a failure, the necessity for such vehicle was non existent, the M1 Abrams program was complete and the need for another M60 was not viewed positively by the US military, there also were no foreign buyers of this package for what ever reason.

 

Super M60 Undergoing Trial Testing

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Additional Turret Armour Information Provided By @RefrigerRaider

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According to the information displayed above the Turret had a Spaced Armour equivalent of about ~406mm of RHA at what appears to be 30 degrees slope, with the front hull equalling to approximately 368mm of RHA at a UFP slope of about 73 degrees and LFP slope of about 45 degrees.

 

Specifications

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Crew: 4 men

Weight: 56.3 t

Length (gun forward): 9.5 m

Hull length: 7.09 m

Width: 4.19 m

Height: 2.92 m

 

Armament

Main gun: 105-mm rifled

Machine guns : 1 x 12.7mm, 1 x 7.62mm

Elevation range: -10 to + 20 degrees

Traverse range: 360 degrees

 

Ammunition

Main gun: 63 rounds

Machine guns: ~ 600 x 12.7, 6 000 x 7.62-mm

Types: APFSDS / HEAT / HE / HESH / APERS / WP rounds (not all represented in game)

 

Mobility

Engine: Teledyne Continental CR-1790-1B diesel

Engine power: 1,180 hp

Maximum road speed: 72 km/h

Range: ~ 500 km

 

Maneuverability

Gradient: 60%

Side slope: 30%

Vertical step: 0.9 m

Trench: 2.6 m

Fording: 1.2 m

 

This would make a great final tank to the Patton line as well as a fine addition to the US Tier VI 8.7 meta, the vehicle was produced and tested and fits in the games limitations (about the same year produced as the Chieftain Mk.10 in game), I could only see this tank being 8.7 (or in line with all other Tier VI vehicles) for its BR as it does have far more advantages than that of the standard M60s currently in game. What do you guys think? Be sure to let everyone know in the poll!

 

Additional Photos And Information

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References

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Images:

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/super_m60.jpg

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/super_m60_l1.jpg

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/super_m60_l2.jpg

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/24/1402695429-m60ax-3.png

http://i.imgur.com/g9TmGwM.jpg

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2014/24/1402695163-m60ax-1.png

 

Information:

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/super_m60.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M60_Patton

http://tanknutdave.com/the-us-super-m60-tank-upgrade-package/

 

 

Technically speaking the M60AX would not be the final M60 variation in the game. For that I would like to bring your attention to this.

 

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/raytheon-can-turn-old-american-made-m60a3-tanks-killing-16142

 

This M60A3 has significant modifications which would put it on par with the Current M1 Abrams we have in game. Over all these 2 tanks would empathize 2 different play styles but would overall help the USA out. I advise you read about this because overall these tank could theoretically complement each other on the battlefield.

[Admiral_Aruon 2,264]

46 minutes ago, *SoupMcT said:

 

Technically speaking the M60AX would not be the final M60 variation in the game. For that I would like to bring your attention to this.

 

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/raytheon-can-turn-old-american-made-m60a3-tanks-killing-16142

 

This M60A3 has significant modifications which would put it on par with the Current M1 Abrams we have in game. Over all these 2 tanks would empathize 2 different play styles but would overall help the USA out. I advise you read about this because overall these tank could theoretically complement each other on the battlefield.

 

we know about the M60A3 SLEP. its just too modern for now though. even gajiggles isn't too keen on going straight into the new millenium. yet.

[SoupMcT@psn 344]

7 hours ago, Admiral_Aruon said:

 

we know about the M60A3 SLEP. its just too modern for now though. even gajiggles isn't too keen on going straight into the new millenium. yet.

 

If you take out all the technology it’s just an M60A3 with a better engine, higher top speed, slightly better protection, and a 120mm gun.

[Admiral_Aruon 2,264]

On 28/06/2018 at 21:04, *SoupMcT said:

If you take out all the technology it’s just an M60A3 with a better engine, higher top speed, slightly better protection, and a 120mm gun.

 

still after Y2K though. officially there's no time cutoff date anymore but gaijin is still very touchy about the new millennium.

[SoupMcT@psn 344]

On 12/07/2018 at 11:53, Admiral_Aruon said:

 

still after Y2K though. officially there's no time cutoff date anymore but gaijin is still very touchy about the new millennium.

 

Completely understandable but when it comes down to it its basically the same tank.

[kev2go 5,112]

On 06/06/2018 at 15:28, WulfPack said:

isnt the slep the last patton

 

Modfiication for export  M60A3 userscustomers since its propositon not displayed until 2016.  Long after USA retired their m60 fleet, and ultimately so far nothing has come of it.  Theres actually less data available it anyways. You couldnt even fully fill a basic statsheet  of general characteristics like in this thread from Ratheyons Promotion video alone.

 

This ( the M60AX)  is the last patton that could  have seen service with the US army in the cold war period.

Edited August 28, 2018 by kev2go

[Borotovas 4,500]

+1

[Insanous-player@psn 10]

i say AYE!, for since the new update will be big we we'll be definitely NEED this!

[Milocat 4,849]

Would be a good way to continue to bridge the gap between the M60 series and the more modern tanks, so +1.