tanks/vehicles T-72M1 (GDR) - German tree, Tier 6 MBT.

[Ronin_GE 694]

We got us one of 'em cooked today. MILAN-2 hit to the lower front plate, hit the ammo carusel. The turret flew 50 yars away

 

Edited March 18, 2018 by Ronin_GE

[Universae 677]

Each to their own.

 

Personally i'd like to see the Mig-15bis removed from the tree (people who have it or have started reserching get to keep it) 

And have Germany follow the Bundeswehr exclusively as their own unique faction.

 

But thats me.

In the end its upto Gaijin.

[Banfly 588]

1 hour ago, Universae said:

Personally i'd like to see the Mig-15bis removed from the tree (people who have it or have started reserching get to keep it) 

And have Germany follow the Bundeswehr exclusively as their own unique faction.

 

My man, though the MiG-15bis should be replaced instead.

Edited March 18, 2018 by Banfly

[Admiral_Aruon 2,264]

8 hours ago, Banfly said:

 

My man, though the MiG-15bis should be replaced instead.

 

with what though? now that the MiG-15bis carries those powerful rockets it fills a reliable rocket CAS niche the CL-13A and its rockets is no longer able to.

[Universae 677]

10 minutes ago, Admiral_Aruon said:

with what though? now that the MiG-15bis carries those powerful rockets it fills a reliable rocket CAS niche the CL-13A and its rockets is no longer able to.

The G.91 would be more appropiate...kinda.

 

But im sure there are a few planes they could add to fill that role.

Especially if they end up advancing the aviation trees.

 

Bonus: With the addition of the lead indicator for top tier SPAA in RB Planes are much more obsolite than before.

Is that rocket kill really worth the high risk of being sent to the hanger with a 15k-20k+ repair bill :p 

[Nell_Lucifer 927]

Uh.. no?

Why would you want a russian tank in the german tree? While there are othet leo variants. They confirmed the Leo 2 for the next update.

[CK_16 791]

Only way I would want to see this (and I do want to see this added).

 

 

[Mr_Hunter_99 781]

no, We need Leo2 A variants

[swpixy 1,220]

31 minutes ago, Scharfschutze_99 said:

no, We need Leo2 A variants

We are getting those anyway.

[kamikazi21358 998]

The obvious argument is we have both the CL-13 for West Germany and the MiG-15bis for East Germany.

I think Germany should get the T-55 and T-72 and other Russian tanks like they did for the aircraft; also it would be good for balancing out Simulator Battles: currently it’s literally every nation vs just Russia at high tier, bad for que times.  If East German equipment could only fight with USSR and West German equipment like the Leos could only fight for NATO (which is possible because SB is handled in the event tab now), the that would help balance it out.

But based on a lot of these posts, I feel like I have to remind people:

EAST GERMANY IS ALSO A GERMANY

[Slipslime 660]

6 minutes ago, kamikazi21358 said:

The obvious argument is we have both the CL-13 for West Germany and the MiG-15bis for East Germany.

I think Germany should get the T-55 and T-72 and other Russian tanks like they did for the aircraft; also it would be good for balancing out Simulator Battles: currently it’s literally every nation vs just Russia at high tier, bad for que times.  If East German equipment could only fight with USSR and West German equipment like the Leos could only fight for NATO (which is possible because SB is handled in the event tab now), the that would help balance it out.

But based on a lot of these posts, I feel like I have to remind people:

EAST GERMANY IS ALSO A GERMANY

 

No one's questioning whether East Germany is a Germany. The problem is that as a military power, East Germany has nothing new, unique, or interesting to bring to the game, even China would bring more content. That's the argument against East German vehicles, they're literally just Soviet vehicles.

[Borotovas 4,500]

+1

[Admiral_Aruon 2,264]

7 hours ago, Slipslime said:

 

No one's questioning whether East Germany is a Germany. The problem is that as a military power, East Germany has nothing new, unique, or interesting to bring to the game, even China would bring more content. That's the argument against East German vehicles, they're literally just Soviet vehicles.

 

a bit of a counter-arguement: not every vehicle fielded by a warsaw pact minor HAS to also be used in the soviet tech tree. and while the east germans didn't make much themselves, they DID use tank versions that didn't originate as soviet modifications. the T-72M1 for example:

 

with the T-72M AKA slightly downgraded export model T-72A, you have the T-72M1 which was the standard export model built by the USSR, Czechoslovakia, and Poland; and used by a ton of countries, including east germany.

 

or you could have the T 72M "Übergangsversion" – East German army name for 23 late-production T-72M1s from Poland that had fitted with the additional hull armour- so a deviation from the original soviet design.

[kamikazi21358 998]

10 hours ago, Slipslime said:

 

No one's questioning whether East Germany is a Germany. The problem is that as a military power, East Germany has nothing new, unique, or interesting to bring to the game, even China would bring more content. That's the argument against East German vehicles, they're literally just Soviet vehicles.

By the way I would absolutely love to see China in game as well.

It is true they don’t really bring much uniqueness, but to be fair, neither does the American aircraft branch in the French tree, as well as the American tanks in the Japanese and French trees as well.  (And I would not at all be surprised if they do the same for the Italians to an extent.)

So we know nations will get export vehicles in their main trees, it’s that since we are talking about top tier tanks for a country that was technically separated, and for a tree that doesn’t need the export vehicles like the others listed because of lack of native vehicles that could be put there, should they still be added?

I think yes, I have mentioned I think it would also be extremely beneficial for SB balances.

Also the Germans do undoubtly get a large variety of Bundeswehr vehicles, but I believe top tier for Germany could be made even richer with East Germany like they did with the Sabre and MiG.  Cosidering it is a tree that meets a brutal end at rank 4 and 5, because it represents a nation that was destroyed in 1945, the soviets might actually be a solution to having this gap where you go through a period where 1945 tanks literally can get tiered against 1960 and 1970 era tanks (which they should to an extent, German Engineering FTW), getting soviet vehicles would help even more since tanks like the T-34-85, PT-76, BMPs and other APCs, etc. in a soviet equipment branch would fit in the approximate Br.s where this problem starts, since most Bundeswehr equipment just jumps from 1945 to already just in the ‘60s.

If you have went through the grind through the entire German tree, you deserve to get both Germanys’ equipment; putting E.German decals on Russian tree tanks only to have your crew screaming at you in Russian just isn’t the same.  And to get this top tier equipment, you are going to have to grind for it, and considering that we are talking about rank 4, 5, 6; to get anywhere within the next few years you most likely have some premium tank, talisman, prem. account, etc., which means money for Gaijin, and Gaijin loves money.

[___OverLord___ 60]

Yes only if we are not getting any T-72 variant for the Soviet tree, then I want T-72M1 in German TT.

[SPANISH_AVENGER 11,788]

I see no point on it. Germany has the fortune of being a country with most native tank designs. I don't see any necessity of filling the tree with Russian tanks; I would rather get Leopard 2A0, Leopard 2A1 or Leopard 2A4... 

[FlyingDuckOfSky 2,749]

No, keep the NVA out of the German tree.

 

Also replace the Nazimig with a G.91 or something.

[The_Doctor_084 1,583]

Problem for people arguing against it is there's already foreign tech in each nations tree, it isn't going to stop some nations fought but didn't build their own equipment.  If Gaijin could figure out a way to do GDR as a side tree that had it's own in game flag and could be paired with Russia then I'm all for it, till such a point I'm for nations using the equipment they had regular tree or premium not withstanding and the nation being split up or not (for example RoC and CCP could be two separate trees in a Chinese techtree)

[kev2go 5,112]

5 hours ago, SPANISH_AVENGER said:

I see no point on it. Germany has the fortune of being a country with most native tank designs. I don't see any necessity of filling the tree with Russian tanks; I would rather get Leopard 2A0, Leopard 2A1 or Leopard 2A4... 

 

 

They can get both.

 

 

No one said T72M1 was supposed to be Alternative to Germany not getting A production leo2. i was never in any way alluding to that.

 

And a production leo2 ha been confirmed for 1.79. so the point is moot.

 

Edited March 21, 2018 by kev2go

[Borotovas 4,500]

+1 We also need the East German MiG-17 and Il-28.

 

 

 

[kev2go 5,112]

32 minutes ago, Borotovas said:

+1 We also need the East German MiG-17 and Il-28.

 

 

 

 

 

Bomber in particular yeah. Germany does not have any proper 9.0 bomber. Il hit up my support.

Edited March 21, 2018 by kev2go

[SpookyVanguard64 18]

I'd like to see the DDR represented in game, but I don't really like the idea of throwing T-72s, T-55s, (more) MiGs, etc in with the current German tree. Instead I'd like to see:

 

East German Sub-tree (also mentioned by RexLuporum above)

 

It should be rather simple: add a Sub-tree with East German vehicles that starts at Tier 4 and becomes unlocked once a player reaches the 4th or 5th rank in the current German tech tree.

 

Ground Forces: Begins with the T-34-85, PT-76, and some sort of SPAA, maybe with the T-34-85 and the PT-76 starting out unlocked. The T-34-85 line would go to T-34-85M, then to the T-54 1951 (preferably with a modification to upgrade to a T-54B),and then split into a T-55 line and a T-72 line. PT-76 line would go into the BMP-1 and BMP-2. SPAA would have BTR-152, ZSU-57-2, Shilka etc. There could also be a line of wheeled ATGM vehicles.

 

Aircraft: Start by moving the current German MiG-15 into the tree. Anyone who already has it would get to keep it obviously. Also add MiG-17, IL-28 and any other aircraft used that would fit into the game (5 La-9s were also used by the DDR apparently, not sure if that would qualify for the main tree).

 

Benefits: There aren't MiGs fighting along side Leos and Sabres in ground RB. There will also be a nation that can be paired with the Soviets in ground RB that is historically accurate, and if enough people play this tree, then hopefully (West) Germany will be paired more with NATO.

 

Limits: Not many aircraft to be added unless helicopters or supersonic jets get added. Ground tree would feel a little sparse as well and be very repetitive

 

Or if a sub tree would be too sparse or impractical, Gaijin could also add a full rank 1-6 tree with vehicles from Eastern Europe that would include the DDR as well as Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia and Finland. This would also allow Gaijin to add a lot of tanks from minor axis nations, especially in the low and mid tiers, so this may be the better option to go with.

 

 

[Borotovas 4,500]

14 hours ago, Zed_Spektre_7 said:

I'd like to see the DDR represented in game, but I don't really like the idea of throwing T-72s, T-55s, (more) MiGs, etc in with the current German tree. Instead I'd like to see:

 

East German Sub-tree (also mentioned by RexLuporum above)

 

It should be rather simple: add a Sub-tree with East German vehicles that starts at Tier 4 and becomes unlocked once a player reaches the 4th or 5th rank in the current German tech tree.

 

Ground Forces: Begins with the T-34-85, PT-76, and some sort of SPAA, maybe with the T-34-85 and the PT-76 starting out unlocked. The T-34-85 line would go to T-34-85M, then to the T-54 1951 (preferably with a modification to upgrade to a T-54B),and then split into a T-55 line and a T-72 line. PT-76 line would go into the BMP-1 and BMP-2. SPAA would have BTR-152, ZSU-57-2, Shilka etc. There could also be a line of wheeled ATGM vehicles.

 

Aircraft: Start by moving the current German MiG-15 into the tree. Anyone who already has it would get to keep it obviously. Also add MiG-17, IL-28 and any other aircraft used that would fit into the game (5 La-9s were also used by the DDR apparently, not sure if that would qualify for the main tree).

 

Benefits: There aren't MiGs fighting along side Leos and Sabres in ground RB. There will also be a nation that can be paired with the Soviets in ground RB that is historically accurate, and if enough people play this tree, then hopefully (West) Germany will be paired more with NATO.

 

Limits: Not many aircraft to be added unless helicopters or supersonic jets get added. Ground tree would feel a little sparse as well and be very repetitive

 

Or if a sub tree would be too sparse or impractical, Gaijin could also add a full rank 1-6 tree with vehicles from Eastern Europe that would include the DDR as well as Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Yugoslavia and Finland. This would also allow Gaijin to add a lot of tanks from minor axis nations, especially in the low and mid tiers, so this may be the better option to go with.

 

There was a suggestion for East German La-9s, but nobody could find any pictures of what it looked like. It seems like a very rare aircraft to get info on.

[dotEXCEL 5,969]

1 hour ago, Borotovas said:

 

There was a suggestion for East German La-9s, but nobody could find any pictures of what it looked like. It seems like a very rare aircraft to get info on.

LA-9's? i only know of Yak-11's

Spoiler

 

[SpookyVanguard64 18]

9 hours ago, dotEXCEL said:

LA-9's? i only know of Yak-11's

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According to Wikipedia they used 5 La-9s from 1952 to 1956 by the Volkspolize (East German Police) before the airforce was formed

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavochkin_La-9#_East_Germany