minor tech tree New unlock system for introducing Minor Tech Tree like the Helicopter tech tree

[Truecrypt 79]

 

( Update 23.09.2018 )

 

Add suggestions from forum and reddit:

 

• Multiple way to access a Minor Tech Tree
• Dynamic MM system for Minor Tech Tree
• Canada is moved from American Continent group to Commonwealth group
• Romania is moved from from Western Minor Axis Powers (Italy) group to Western Axis Powers (Germany) group

 

 

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This idea is base on previous suggestion: Suggest about tech-tree : Tab for everyone !

 

 

 

Hello everyone, I am a player from China. 

I love modern Chinese tanks, I hope War thunder can introduce more Chinese tanks, like Type 96 or Type 99.

However, although China have many unique tanks after 1960s, it still lack domestically developed tanks during WWII and Korean War.
Not to mention aircraft and incoming navy.

 

Here is Chinese tech tree in Chinese server.

I find these detailed pictures from this reddit post.

 

Chinese Ground forces Tech Tree

 

 

Chinese Aircraft Tech Tree

 

 

We can see there is barely no domestic vehicle before rank V.
Almost everything are clone from USSR, USA and Japan, not very original.

From my opinion, I don't like copy-paste vehicles in tree.
Research a same vehicles and play it again is unbearable for me, I believe many player feel the same way.
The reason for Chinese server to add this tree is because the patriotism has a huge potential market in China.
but I don't think it is practicable in our server.

 

 

 

New unlock system for introduce Minor Tech Tree

 

 

Revelation from the new unlock system of helicopter tech three and this suggestion: Suggest about tech-tree : Tab for everyone !

 

 

 

 

How to unlock a new Tech Tree:

 

Just like helicopter three, once a Main Tech Tree unlock progress reach the target, Player can access to Minor Tech Tree.

 

For example:

France tree reach rank IV / research and purchase AMX-13 -> access Israel tree

USSR tree reach rank V / research and purchase T-54 (1951) -> access China tree

Britain tree reach rank V / research and purchase Vickers MBT -> access India tree

 

 

 

How to solve the problem that Minor Tech Tree lack domestically developed vehicle:

 

Since Minor Tech Tree is related to Main Tech Tree, we can combine their lineup together.
A USSR player can use  T-54(1951) and Type 59 in the same battle, so there is no need to filling clone vehicle in Minor Tech Tree.

 

 

 

About Crew slots:

 

Minor Tech Tree can have their own Crew slots, which display with Main Tech Tree Crew slots parallelly.

For example:

 

               crew 1       crew 2      crew 3     crew 4    crew 5

USSR: |  T-55A   |   T-55AM   |  T-62M  |  MiG-17 |  IL-28   |
China: | Type 59  |  Type 59D | Holiday | Holiday | Holiday |

 

 

So player can use both USSR (Main Tech Tree) and China (Minor Tech Tree) vehicle in the same battle.

This will enrich the lineups of every tech tree in the game now greatly.

Minor Tech Tree can fill up most of gap in the Main Tech Tree.

 

 

 

About RP gaining:

 

We know that RP converting is a main part of War Thunder income.
so the research perhaps will be same as helicopter: player may only gain RP to research Minor Tech Tree vehicle whilst using the vehicles from that tree.

 

 

 

Idea of Tech Tree Classification:

 

Here is an idea of classification which is modifying from original post (base on 7 Main Tech Tree and probably incoming Swedish tech tree):
This classification criteria is base on military relationship, geo-relationship and the vehicle design concept.

 

Commonwealth: Britain / Australia / New Zealand / Canada / India / South Africa

Western Allies: France / Belgium / Netherlands / Greece / Israel

Western Axis Powers: Germany / Czechoslovakia / Romania

Western Minor Axis Powers: Italy / Croatia / Bulgaria / Hungary

Warsaw Pact / Communist: USSR / Poland / Yugoslavia / China / North Korea

American Continent: USA / Brazil / Argentina / Chile

Pacific Axis Powers / Asia Pro-American Powers: Japan / Manchukuo / Thailand / South Korea / Taiwan

Scandinavian / Neutral power: Sweden / Norway / Denmark / Finland / Switzerland

 

 

 

For example (This example picture is from the original thread):

 

 

 

 

 

***************************************************************************************************************************************************

 

( Update 23.09.2018 )

 

Add suggestions from forum and reddit:

 

• Multiple way to access a Minor Tech Tree
• Dynamic MM system for Minor Tech Tree
• Canada is moved from American Continent group to Commonwealth group
• Romania is moved from from Western Minor Axis Powers (Italy) group to Western Axis Powers (Germany) group

 

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Multiple way to access a Minor Tech Tree:

 

Consider that Helicopter Tech Tree can be accessed by both rank V ground vehicle or aircraft tree.

Minor Tech Tree could available in the same way.

 

 

1. A Minor Tech Tree can be accessed by different Main Tech Tree

 

For example:

 

A player can access Canada Tree by reach specific progress in USA tree or Britain tree.

 

USA tree reach rank II / research and purchase M4A1 Sherman  -> access Canada tree

Britain tree reach rank II / research and purchase Cromwell V -> access Canada tree

 

 

2. In some cases, different part of a Minor Tech Tree need to be accessed by different Main Tech Tree

 

For example:

 

Romania Tech Tree is combined by two different part: Kingdom of Romania and Socialist Republic of Romania.

 

Germany (Italy) tree reach rank II / research and purchase Panzer IV F2 (P40)  -> access Kingdom of Romania (Low Tiers of Romania Tree)

USSR tree reach rank V / research and purchase T-54 (1951) -> access Socialist Republic of Romania (High Tiers of Romania Tree)

 

 

 

 

Dynamic MM system for Minor Tech Tree

 

 

Take Poland for instance, after Revolutions of 1989, Poland joined NATO in 1999.

so it's reasonable to see following two lineups : 

 

1. NATO vs. Warsaw Pact (including Poland)

2. NATO (including Poland) vs. Russia

 

 

When a player put only Poland vehicles in his lineup (without any vehicle from USSR tree), he will have a chance to join a battle which is NATO (including Poland) vs. Russia.

This could help reduce the waiting time in queue.

 

 

 

 

 

Everyone is welcome to comment and make your valuable suggestion.

Hope you guys like this idea, Thank you for watching. 

 

 

Edited September 26, 2018 by Truecrypt

[leroyonly 4,310]

Open for discussion. 

[Truecrypt 79]

28 minutes ago, leroyonly said:

Open for discussion. 

 

Thank you my friend!

[CadianGuardsman 110]

I like this idea, I think China  has some very interesting "Frankenstein" vehicles as well as some solid post civil war vehicles that really should be added.

 

It would also allow the Soviets to get some allies at top tier so we can have more realistic match ups.

[Truecrypt 79]

Inspired by our Polish friend u/Dymango on reddit, maybe we could have a dynamic MM system that vehicles from Minor Tech Tree can change their camp.

For example, when a player put only Poland vehicles in his lineup, MM system will detect it, and player can access a battle like Poland with their NATO allies VS Russia.

Edited September 22, 2018 by Truecrypt

[QeDpln 42]

It seems like an overall pretty good idea.

But Germany would only get 1 minor tree, so maybe one of the minor trees from the axis minors could be moved to them.

[wafflelord 6]

3 hours ago, CadianGuardsman said:

I like this idea, I think China  has some very interesting "Frankenstein" vehicles as well as some solid post civil war vehicles that really should be added.

 

It would also allow the Soviets to get some allies at top tier so we can have more realistic match ups.

You mean Enemies Right? Chinese and Soviets hated eachother :)

[Truecrypt 79]

32 minutes ago, QeDpln said:

It seems like an overall pretty good idea.

But Germany would only get 1 minor tree, so maybe one of the minor trees from the axis minors could be moved to them.

 

You are right, I have considered this problem before, but I still have no idea which Minor Tree is better to be with Germany.

[QeDpln 42]

3 minutes ago, Truecrypt said:

 

You are right, I have considered this problem before, but I still have no idea which Minor Tree is better to be with Germany.

Maybe Romania, they have quite a lot of German tanks and some planes.

East Germany could also be made a minor.

[Truecrypt 79]

Our friend u/Star_Wreck on reddit just give us a great question:

How about nations with gaps in their tech tree like Romania with the TACAM series at Tier 2/3 and then jumps to Tier 5 with the TR-77/TR-77-580?

 

The solution I just came out with is split the Romania tree into two part: Kingdom of Romania and Socialist Republic of Romania.
Player can access those 2 part by unlock different progression of Main Tree (ex: Italy, German ): Kingdom of Romania for rank II and Socialist Republic of Romania for rank V.
And once player reach rank V, he can purchase the first rank V Romania tank, just like helicopter tree.

 

Maybe there is other better way, we can put our heads together. 

 

Edited September 22, 2018 by Truecrypt

[Truecrypt 79]

9 minutes ago, QeDpln said:

Maybe Romania, they have quite a lot of German tanks and some planes.

 

Good idea!

 

 

9 minutes ago, QeDpln said:

East Germany could also be made a minor. 

 

You mean split it into Warsaw Pact group?

Edited September 22, 2018 by Truecrypt

[QeDpln 42]

5 minutes ago, Truecrypt said:

Our friend u/Star_Wreck on reddit just give us a great question:

How about nations with gaps in their tech tree like Romania with the TACAM series at Tier 2/3 and then jumps to Tier 5 with the TR-77/TR-77-580?

 

The solution I just came out with is split the Romania tree into two part: Kingdom of Romania and Socialist Republic of Romania.
Player can access those 2 part by unlock different progression of Main Tree (ex: Italy, German ): Kingdom of Romania for rank II and Socialist Republic of Romania for rank V.
And once player reach rank V, he can purchase the first rank V Romania tank, just like helicopter tree. 

  

Maybe there is other better way, we can put our heads together. 

It could be split and accessed from two different majors, kingdom from Germany/Italy and Socialist Republic from USSR

Just now, Truecrypt said:

You mean split it into Warsaw Pact group? 

could be minor to USSR or Germany, or if you wanna make it more complicated you need both to unlock it.

[Truecrypt 79]

4 minutes ago, QeDpln said:

It could be split and accessed from two different majors, kingdom from Germany/Italy and Socialist Republic from USSR

 

Great, since helicopter tree can be access from both rank V ground vehicle or aircraft, it will be practicable in Minor Tech Tree too.

Edited September 22, 2018 by Truecrypt

[Clux 2]

Looks very good! Sadly the RP for next vehicles and to buy FE/Parts is gonna hurt with these minor nations.

[Truecrypt 79]

Let me clarify those suggestions I have collected now:

 

• Dynamic MM system for Minor Tech Tree
• Canada go to Commonwealth group
• Romania go to Western Axis Powers (Germany) group
• East Germany go to Warsaw Pact / Communist group
• Multiple way to access a Minor Tech Tree

 

For example:

Italy and/or German Tree reach rank II could access Kingdom of Romania (Low Tier of Romania Tree)

USSR Tree reach rank V could access Socialist Republic of Romania (High Tier of Romania Tree)

 

I will edit them into first floor later.

 

14 hours ago, Clux said:

Looks very good! Sadly the RP for next vehicles and to buy FE/Parts is gonna hurt with these minor nations.

 

It can't be helped.

Edited September 23, 2018 by Truecrypt

[Truecrypt 79]

( Update 23.09.2018 )

 

Add suggestions from forum and reddit:

 

• Multiple way to access a Minor Tech Tree
• Dynamic MM system for Minor Tech Tree
• Canada is moved from American Continent group to Commonwealth group
• Romania is moved from from Western Minor Axis Powers (Italy) group to Western Axis Powers (Germany) group
• East Germany is split from Germany to Warsaw Pact / Communist group

 

Thank you guys! 

 

 

 

And also thanks to those pathfinder. 

Edited September 23, 2018 by Truecrypt

[QeDpln 42]

On 23/09/2018 at 08:48, Truecrypt said:

East Germany is split from Germany to Warsaw Pact / Communist group

Sorry.

I looked into it and East Germany didn't have any own tanks or planes in service.

There might have been prototypes, but you wouldn't want the whole tree to be prototypes and Soviet Pasta vehicles.

So maybe there shouldn't be a East German Minor Tree.

Edited September 26, 2018 by QeDpln

[Truecrypt 79]

On 25/09/2018 at 08:30, QeDpln said:

Sorry.

I looked into it and East Germany didn't have any down tanks or planes in service.

There might have been prototypes, but you wouldn't want the whole tree to be prototypes and Soviet Pasta vehicles.

So maybe there shouldn't be a East German Minor Tree.

 

OK, let me remove it.

Although We do not have much hope to see East Germany Tree, but we still have NVA Ground Force emblem and DDR Air Force Roundel in the game.

[Охраняет-Камни 6,650]

Italy is one of three main Axis nations, not minor.

[CokeSpray 7,272]

Suggestion passed to the developers for consideration.

[leroyonly 4,310]

As a helicopter style unlock system for minor nations has been added with the Israeli Aircraft tree,

 

Moved to Implemented Suggestions.