techtree Argentine Ground Forces Tech Tree

[OsO73 491]

Argentine Ground Tech Tree

For the last of the Argentine Tech Trees, the ground forces, after the addition of the TAM and now the TAM2C i suggest Argentina to be represented in WT, you might be asking ¿why?, this is a small nation compared to others we see suggested, aside from that, we see a good amount of unique vehicles, modifications and some copies here and there. I think this tree could be a really nice addition for the game and with it other things could come, like maps or even other Latin American nations.  

 

The Tree Itself:

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Tier By Tier Analysis:

Tier I

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When it comes to the First Tier, we start with a weird selection of Vehicles, for one side we have the T-16s carriers (or Universal/Bren carriers if you're British) witch were modified by the argentine army to accommodate more powerful armament, we also have various M3 halftracks with a 75mm Krupp cannon and 20mm cannons, a Chevrolet truck with a 1938 Oerlikon AA gun and lastly one of the modified crusader tractors witch also accommodates the 75mm krupp gun.

 

T-16s

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The t-16s in rank one dived themselves in 3 variants for rank I, the 2 first ones armed with heavy and light machine guns, although the second one armed with 2 PAPI rocket launchers (Panzerfaust copy), a latter one incorporated a 20mm cannon.

 

Both reserve examples are armed with 12.7 Machine guns (or 50 cals) + a Browning 1919 in the front, the second example carries 2 PAPI rockets mounted facing forward (an argentine version of the Panzerfaust). Its important to know that there are not pics of the 20mm one, although its been mentioned in a lot of sources (much like the Matorras-Carrier, another field gun that was mounted on it) 

 

General Characteristics

Dimensions:

Length: 3.65 m

Width: 2.06 m

Height: 1.57 m

Crew: 3

Armour: 7–10 mm

Main armament:

x1 12.7 heavy Mg 

x1 20mm Oerlikon mod 1938

Secondary armament

Browning 7.62 Mg

x2 PAPI (Proyectil Anti tanque Para Infantería/Anti tank Proyectile for Infantry) 

Engine: 3.9-liter Ford V8 
85 hp (63 kW) at 3,500 rpm

Operational range: 250 km

Max speed: 48 km/h 

 

M-3/M-5 Halftracks

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This us the same halftrack we have in game, the argentine army bought 400 of them (various models M3/M5/M9) in this case we have one example that was fitted with a 75mm Krupp cannon and other that was fused with a 20mm Oerlikon mod1938 cannon, although the 20mm was an AA gun, it wasn't used for that role. 

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Length: 6.17 m

Width: 2.223 m

Height: 2.26 m

Crew: 3/4

Armor: 6–12 mm 

Engine: White 160AX 147 hp (110 kW) at 3,000 rpm

Power/weight: 16.2 hp/metric ton

Max Speed 72 km/h on road

Armament:

x1 75mm Krupp Cannon

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x1 20mm Oerlikon mod 1938

 

Jeep 75mm (M20)

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An American M20 recoilless cannon(From the argentine Navy) Mounted on top a simple jeep (could be willys or IKA).

 

 

 

Chevrolet AA

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This is one of the the earliest AA vehicle in the argentine army i could find, the mounting for the Oerlikon gun was locally made, information about this vehicles is pretty scarce, but its a great start for an early AA vehicle

Information about this vehicle shows that it is a 1941 Chevrolet truck modified to carry 1 20mm Oerlikon M23 AA cannon

Thornycroft AA

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DCA, Type "A3" RSW truck/half-track w/Oerlikon 20mm L70 M1938 DCA (AAA) gun.

Crew in this vehicle and overall performance is increased compared to the last AA vehicle due to a more stable platform and more crew to operate it.

Crusader 75mm

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Being one of the most interesting and obscure argentine vehicles, this tank destroyer was made when argentina modified their crusader tractors with different cannons (this is one of the 3 different versions)

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Length: 5,99m 

Width: 2,77m 

Height: 2,27m 

Crew: 5

Armor: 40mm Casemate (all sides)

Engine: 340hp Nuffield-Liberty V12

Max Speed: 48 km/h

Armament:

75mm Krupp 1909 field gun

From my research AP and HE rounds Were used (both Shared with the Nahuel DL-43)

 

Tier II

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We get up to Tier II, we see an M4A4, the famous DL-43, the remaining crusaders and some other vehicles.

 

DL.43

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The first argentine made tank, this tank has an excellent armor arrangement but a very weak gun compared to the tanks of the same time. This example is a later one known as "Recycled Nahuel", the fixed hull machine guns have been removed and the driver has been given a visor similar to the one in the early Panthers. 

 

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Length:6.22 m  

width: 2.33 (or 2.63, contested)

Height: 2.95 m

Total weight, battle ready 35 tons

Crew: 5 

PropulsionFMA-Lorraine-Dietrich 12 Eb, W12, WC, 500 hp, 14.3 hp/tonne

Maximum speed40 km/h 

SuspensionVertical Volute Springs (VVSS)

Range on road: 250 km 

ArmamentMain: 75 mm Krupp M1909
Secondary: x1 13mm  Madsen Mg 
 x3  7.62 mm light machine-guns

Armor: Maximum of 80 mm 

 

M4A4

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Already in game 

 

ACKWX 353AA

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i really have nothing to say when it comes to this vehicle. looks like a ton of fun 

M7 Priest

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SPG used by the argentine Army, acquired right after WW2

General characteristics:

Length: 6.02 m

Width: 2.87 m 

Height: 2.54 m

Armor: 12–62 mm

Main armament

105 mm M1/M2 Howitzer (69 rounds)

Similar engine to the M4 Sherman
range: 193 km

Maximum speed: 39 km/h (on road)
24 km/h off road

Crusader 75B & 105

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Vehicles made out of the Crusader tractors, this ones carry the 75mm bofors cannon and the other a 105mm Schneider-Creusot Mle.1928 howitzer 

1st picture with 105 howtizer, 2nd with 75mm Bofors

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Length: 5,99m 

Width: 2,77m 

Height: 2,27m 

Crew: 5

Armor: 40mm Casemate (all sides)

Engine: 340hp Nuffield-Liberty V12

Max Speed: 48 km/h

Armament:

For one of the vehicles the armament was the French 105mm Schneider-Creusot Mle.1928 howitzer and for the other was the 75mm L40 Bofors gun

 

Tier III

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Tier 3 is where we start seeing more foreign vehicles, although there are quite a few indigenous modifications. 

 

M4A2

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Same vehicle to the one in the US tree but with large hatches and their added armor.

Sherman Firefly

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The argentine army got various versions of the Sherman Firefly, 2 of them will be in the regular tree, The Firefly IC Hybrid and the Firefly VC 

as you can see in the picture, the first 3 examples are different versions of the firefly, VC, IC and IC hybrid

 

Unimog AA

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Characteristics of the 20mm Oerlikon

Weight: 480kg (empty)
Caliber: 20 mm
Fire rate: 450 Rounds per minute

Bullet speed: 820 m/s
Max Range: 2.000 m against aerial target
360 rotation (limited only by the structure of the vehicle)

Jeep DGFM (75mm)

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A 75mm recoilless cannon mounted on top of an IKA Jeep, this vehicle used the same ammo the Crusader with the 75mm Bofors gun used (its heat round according to its manual could penetrate 150mm of armor)

At first i thought that the gun was only transported on the vehicle, but during an interview to some personnel of the regiment they stated that the gun could actually be fired from the vehicle, thats pretty interesting. 

 

Jeep ika (105)

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This Vehicle uses the Czekalski Mod 1968 recoilless cannon, wich receives a Heat round capable of penetrating 200mm of RHA 

 

M3/M5 (105- mod 1968)

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A modernization of the M3/M5/M9 halftracks adding a 105mm recoilless cannons to them, i selected the M3 and M5 to be in game, although a premium version could be added in the form of the M9 (all are the same halftrack with little differences)

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Length: 6.17 m

Width: 2.223 m

Height: 2.26 m

Crew: 3/4

Armor: 6–12 mm 

Engine: White 160AX 147 hp (110 kW) at 3,000 rpm

Power/weight: 16.2 hp/metric ton

Max Speed 72 km/h on road

Armament: x1 105 1968 Czekalski Recoilless Cannon and a FAP rifle (mounted on top of the gun)

 

T-16 (105- mod 1968)

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A modernization to the T-16 carierrs adding 105 recoilless cannons to them 

General Characteristics

Dimensions:

Length: 3.65 m

Width: 2.06 m

Height: 1.57 m

Crew: 3

Armour: 7–10 mm

Main armament:

12.7 heavy Mg or M-20 recoilless Cannon/rifle

Secondary armament

Browning 7.62 Mg

Engine: 3.9-liter Ford V8 
85 hp (63 kW) at 3,500 rpm

Operational range: 250 km

Max speed: 48 km/h

Armament:

1 1968 105 Czekalski Recoilless Cannon, a FAP rifle (mounted on top of the gun) and a Browning 1919 fixed forward

 

Tier IV

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In Tier IV we will find a huge assortment of lightly armored fast hard punching tanks, 3 alike scout and combat vehicles the AML-90, the Mowag with the 90mm gun and the ERC-90 with same BR and gun but different armour and mobility, we also recieve other platforms with an upgraded 105 recoilless gun, an M41 and an anti air M-113

 

M41

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This vehicle is already in game

M-113 AA

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General Characteristics 

Dimensions:

Length 4.863 m

Width 2.686 m

Heigh t2.5 metres 

Crew 3/4

Mass:12.3 tonnes 

Armor 5083 Aluminium Alloy 28–44 millimeters 

Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V53T, 6-cylinder diesel engine 275 hp (205 kW)

Power/weight22.36 hp/tonne

Suspension torsion bar, 5 road wheels

Speed67.6 km/h (42.0 mph), 5.8 km/h (3.6 mph) swimming

Main Armament: 1 20mm Oerlikon Cannon

Characteristics of the 20mm Oerlikon

Weight: 480kg (empty)
Caliber: 20 mm
Fire rate: 450 Rounds per minute

Bullet speed: 820 m/s
Max Range: 2.000 m against aerial targets
360 rotation 

AML-90, MOWAG (90mm) and  ERC-90

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all light vehicles that use the same gun, differentiated by their hull and speed, very similar in when it comes to tactics in game

ERC-90

General Characteristics:

Length 7.7 m 

Width2.50 m 

Height2.25 m 

Crew3

Armor 10 mm

Mass 8.3 tons
armament Giat F1 90mm

Secondary armament 2× 7.62 mm machine guns

EnginePeugeot V-6 Petrol engine 155 hp at 5,250 rpm

Power/weight 18.7 hp/ton

Suspension6×6 coil springs with shock absorbers

Operational range 730 km (450 mi)

Speed90 km/h (56 mph)

Amphibious 

 

AML-90

Length 4,15m

width 1,97m

height 2,07m

Mass 2,2 tons

Crew 3

Armament: Giat F1 90mm 

Secondary armament 7.62 Mgs 

Engine: 1,99L 1model 4 HD Flat Four cylinders 90hp at 4700 RPM

Max Speed: 90km/h

 

MOWAG-90

Length 4,73 m

Width 2.05 m

Height 2,1 m

Mass 4.400 kg

Crew: 3

Armor: 6-12 mm

Armament: Giat F1 90mm 

Secondary weapons: x1 7.62 mm Mg

Engine: V 8 Chrysler LA 318-3 160 hp

Max speed: 100 km/h

T-16 UC (x6 105)

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An experimenta that fitted 6 105mm recoilless cannons in a UC chassis, kinda like an ontos, but the guns are centered in a rotating support that can also pivot down and up.

M5&M9 (105-mod 1974)

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This vehicles recieved the 1974 version of the Czekalski 105mm canon, this gives them a more powerful HEAT round capable of penetrating 400mm of RHA

Mercedes 230G (105-mod 1974)

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This was an argentine Army Mercedes that was fitted with the Czekalski 105mm cannon.

Unimog (105-mod 1974)

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A modified Mercedes Unimog to carry and shoot the 105 recoiless cannon

This vehicle carries the 1974 105 Czekalski Recoilless Cannon witch can get access to a heat round with 400mm of pen . it also could carry the 1968 version (that version will be in a Lower BR)

VCR AA

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An IFV that also have AA capabilities in a remote controlled turret at the top

General Characteristics:

Length: 4,88 m

Width: 2,5 m

height: 2,13 m

mass: 9.7 Tn

Crew: 3

Armor: up to 12 mm

Main armament:

20mm French origin auto cannon, controlled from the inside of the vehicle 

Engine: Peugeot PRV V-6

Max speed: 90km/h

Range: 700km

Amphibious 

 

Tier V

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Tier V is composed of a number of different vehicles that carry the same gun (with the exception of the VAPE 1 & 2), having the Highest ranking Sherman, the "Repotenciado", the AMX-105, the Sk-105s and the Patagon carrying the same 105 cannon, (licensed built in argentina of course), accompanied by some other vehicles.

 

Sherman Repotenciado

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A complete rebuild and Upgrade over the regular M4 and Firefly that argentina had at the time, with new engines, gun and suspensions. Two versions exist based on their hulls (casted and welded) one of this versions should be added as a premium, 2 versions of this vehicle will be seen in game, one with a regular M4A4 chasis and other with a Hybrid chasis. 

General Characteristics

Dimensions

Length:6 m 

width: 2.6 m 

height: 2.7 m

Total weight, battle-ready 31.61 tons

Crew: 4

PropulsionPoyaud 520 8-cyl diesel

Maximum speed: 48 km/h 

SuspensionVertical Volute Springs (VVSS)

Range on road200km or 280km (124 or 174 miles)

Armament 105 mm L44/57 FTR
1x 7.62 MAG coacial
1x 12.7 Browning M2HB

ArmorHull: Front 51 mm (2 in)
Side 38.25 mm (1.5 in)
Rear 38.25 mm (1.5 in)
Turret: Front 76.5 mm (3 in)
Side 51 mm (1 in)
Rear 51 mm (1 in)

 

AMX-13 (105)

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The light and fast AMX-13 we see in the french tree, modified to carry a 105mm gun derived from the AMX-30

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Length 6.36 m with gun and 4.88 m hull only

Width 2.51 m 

Height 2.35 m

Mass 13.7 t empty 14.5 t combat

Crew 3 (Commander, gunner and driver)

Armour 10–40 mm 

Main armament

105 mm L44/57 FTR

Secondary armament

1× 7.62 mm coaxial machine gun with 3,600 Rounds
1× 7.62 mm AA machine gun (optional)
2× 2 smoke grenade dischargers

Engine SOFAM Model 8Gxb 8-cylinder water-cooled petrol engine 250 hp (190 kW)

Power/weight 17 hp/ton

SuspensionTorsion bar suspension

Operational range 400 km 

Max speed: 60 km/h 

 

Unimog AA (Hispano suiza 30mm)

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A 30mm Hispano Suiza 831 AA gun, mounted in a Unimog Truck, this system is fast and modern with assisted aiming 

 

Mowag S530 (UNFINISHED VEHICLE)

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This was a secondary project made by TENSA that involved fitting an S530 turret to the Hull of their modified Mowag IFV, information about it is scarce, so this will be classified as a "Unfinished vehicle". Since TENSA was affiliated with MATRA at the time, its possible that there was a fitting of the turret, but no info is available on that.

Hull:

Turret:

 

 

 

Sk-105 A1

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A fast and agile tank with a great gun used in mountainous terrain by the argentine army

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Length 5.58 metres 7.76 m With the main gun

Width 2.5 m

Height 2.88 m 

Crew: 3

Mass 17.7 tonnes (19.5 short tons; 17.4 long tons)

Armor: from 8mm to 40 mm 

Main armament

SK-105A1: 105 mm Rifled Gun

Secondary armament

7.62×51mm NATO co-axial machine gun

EngineSteyr 7FA / 6-cylinder diesel engine
320 hp (238 kW)

Suspension: torsion bar, 5 road wheels

Speed70 km/h (43 mph)

 

Patagon

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a mashup between the hull of an SK-105 hull and a AMX-13(105) this vehicle will perform very close to the SK-105A1

 

 

 

Tier VI

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Tier VI sees the already in game TAM and the upgraded version, the TAM 2, it also has an M60, an obscure vehicle that the US gifted to argentina and it operated for a short time before the TAM was materialized and lastly we see a humvee with a Tow missile, the only ATGM vehicle we will see.

 

M-60

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it was gifted to argentina by the US, it saw limited service next to the older shermans that were in their last years.

This vehicle can be found on the american TT

 

TAM

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Already in war thunder

General Characteristics:

Dimensions 

Length 8.23 m (6.77 m without gun)

Width 3.12 m

Height 2.42 m

Total weight, battle ready 30.5 tons 

Crew: 4 (commander, driver, loader, gunner)

PropulsionMTU-MB 833 Ka-500 6-cyl diesel, 720 hp (540 kW)

Maximum speed75 km/h  on road

Suspensions Torsion bar

Armament105 mm (4.13 in) FM K.4 Modelo 1L
2 x 7.62 mm NATO FN MAG GMPG (0.3 in) coax/AA

ArmorNose glacis, turret mantlet 50 mm (2 in)

 

An upgraded version TAM S.XXI receives better optics and thermals (thing that the original TAM doesn't have)

 

TAM VCDA (UNFINISHED VEHICLE)

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A project involving the fitting of the "Dragon" turret of the German Prototype into the TAM chassis, unfinished.

Humvee + TOW

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Sk-105A2

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Already in game

VAPE 1&2

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An exploration and support vehicle, also anphibius, armed with a 90mm cannon in a fast and agile chasis

General Characteristics:
Dimensions:

Length(with cannon barrel): 8,135m (VAPE 1) 8,245m (VAPE 2)

Width: 2,50 m

Heigth: 2,552m (VAPE 1) 2,828m (VAPE 2)

Crew: 3

Armor:

Max Speed: 100km/h

Engine:

Armament: 90mm GIAT F4 CS Super 90 (-8/+15)

Version 2 was a more refined vehicle, being faster and a little larger than the 1 (also Amphibious )

 

 

Tier VII

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At the top of the tree we have 3 vehicles, in one side the last upgrade on the TAM2C, the TAM2IP, and the Marrua RBS-70. 

TAM 2C

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Already in game

 

TAM2CA2

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A far refined version of the TAM2 that updated certain components that were seen as dated on the 2C upgrade.

 

TAM2IP

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An improved version of the TAM that adds the israeli armor pack to it, This version adds every modification present in the 2C (or it could be the more modern 2CA2) and gives the TAM a great protection compared to that it had before

Marrua RBS-70

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A 4x4 truck that was modified of carry an anti air RBS-70, the platform gives it a better ability and the armament its great to intercept all kinds of aerial enemies

 

Recoilless Guns Difference (1968 vs 1974):

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According to a lot of the information i found, the recoilless guns have 2 versions, 1968 and 1974, both look exactly the same and have no difference at least at first looks but the heat rounds of the 1974 version can pen double of what the 1968 can (Heat 1968: 200mm Heat 1974: 400mm), lots of the vehicles we see in the TT could have carried both series, in that case that would be an exuse to re add the T-16, M-3/9 or unimog at higher tiers. The M5 and M9 were re-added with the later gun.

Premiums

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TIER I

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Universal Carrier (BR: 1.0) (PAPI modification or +1 50cal available)

Uruguayan M3A1 (BR: 2.0)

Paraguayan M3A1  (BR: 2.0)

Paraguayan captured Vickers Type E  (BR: 1.0)

TIER II

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Nahuel DL-43 early version (with Hull MGs and no driver's viewport) (BR: 3.0)

TIER III

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Sherman Firefly IC  (BR: 4.7)

Uruguayan M-24  (BR: 3.3)

Paraguayan Firefly (with Ford GAA V8)  (BR: 4.7)

 

 

TIER IV

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AML-90 (BR: 6.7)

M5 Halftrack with x6 105mm 1968 Czekalski cannons (BR: 5.7)

OT-64 (M40) (BR: 6.7) 

 

YARARA (BR: 5.0)

 

TIER V

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VCLC (BR: 7.0)

VCA 155 (BR: 6.7)

Uruguayan EE-09 Cascavel 

Sherman Repotenciado (dozer) (BR: 7.0)

Paraguayan Sherman Repotenciado  (BR: 7.0)

 

Uruguayan VCIM-1  (BR: 7.3)

 

TIER VI

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Uruguayan Ti-67 (BR: 8.7)

TAM Prototype (BR: 8.7)

TAM "211" (BR: 8.7)

 

 

 

Uniqueness ? (Copied or not?)

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The tree in is current form has a total of 74 vehicles, 20 of them being premiums, and Im happy to say that the majority of the vehicles are unique to this tree, and the copies are:

(Researchable)

• M4A4
• M4A2
• Firefly VC/IC (hybrid)
• M41
• AML-90 (updated)
• M60

Premiums (Copies)

• M3A1
• M24
• Firefly IC
• AML-90 

With a total of 68 vehicles, the tree has a little percentage of copies (a 16% to be exact, with more further additions this will be less)

 

Criteria (Ground forces):

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When it comes to argentine tanks, or ground forces in general, i restrict myself to vehicles to this:

• Vehicles used and adopted by the argentine army (Examples: TAM, SK-105, etc)
• Vehicles used by the neighboring nations of Uruguay/Paraguay (Premiums, Examples: Ti-67, M3 Stuart, etc)
• Vehicles modified/Upgraded in argentina (Examples: Sherman Repotenciado, Up-gunned M5/M9 Halftracks, etc)
• Prototypes Finished/Partially finished in argentina (Examples: Mowag 90mm and Mowag AA, TAM VCDA)

Note that most of the vehicles if not all of them with 2 or 3 exceptions were completed and saw some sort of use/testing. I think accepting this 2/3 "compromises" is acceptable for us to have a more complete tree.

 

 

Future Additions and other things:

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i have quite a few vehicles that are awaiting to be added, but i wanted you to see them first, so we can discuss their feasibility for the game. Some of this are:

All the rocket vehicles

 

Unimog with double system (Pampero+CP30)

Crusader Rocket launcher (2 vehicles

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Yacare Tractor with AA cannon 

M113 with 20mm oerlikon 

Mowag Grenadier (20mm)

Ford truck with 20mm Oerlikon 

IMARA Modified Dodge truck with 6 Bantam missiles (i have doubts about this)

This are some of the vehicles i have that im researching for them to be added into the tree. most of them could fall into the premiums or be splitted in 2 (one researchable and one premium)

 

Ive seen some people that wants to see Argentine tanks in a sub line with the German tree, would you be confortable with this? what are your opinions if germany would receive such a thing?

 

 

Sources:

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https://www.toopics.com/fuerzasarmadas.arg/?lang=en

https://www.toopics.com/p/2246833640342745020

http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/06/25/t16-carrier-in-argentina/

http://proyectopragmalia.blogspot.com/2010/05/282-modernizacion-del-vehiculo-mowag.html

https://www.taringa.net/+militares_en_t/canon-antiaereo-oerlikon-gai-bo1-20mm_14do7r

https://www.taringa.net/+apuntes_y_monografias/vehiculos-olvidados-del-ejercito-argentino-vape_12rpk2

https://www.zona-militar.com/foros/threads/proyecto-pendiente-modernización-del-mowag-argentino.21952/

https://desarrolloydefensa.blogspot.com/2010/05/proyecto-pendiente-modernizacion-del.html

https://www.taringa.net/+info/desarrollos-militares-de-la-empresa-tensa_yj6nf

http://www.ipneditores.com.ar/product_info.php?products_id=1093

http://fdra.blogspot.com/2016/02/ea-los-m4-sherman-y-sus-versiones.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 4, 2023 by OsO73

[leroyonly 4,310]

Open for discussion. 

[OsO73 491]

22 minutes ago, leroyonly said:

Open for discussion. 

Thank you ! 

[eleks12 1,079]

I would prefer a South American / Spanish speaking International tree. But anyway +1

[devilskid4 41]

Tree is a bit small but nice. Perhaps premiums could be some of the vehicles operated by specific units? 

[OsO73 491]

46 minutes ago, devilskid4 said:

Tree is a bit small but nice. Perhaps premiums could be some of the vehicles operated by specific units? 

 Sure, we could have some with their historical camos. It is nice since we dont have a huge number of copies for filling, but sadly we have big gaps in some BRs, anyway i hope they like Recoilless Rifles  

[Kasukaru 2,164]

Same as Eleks12, above. +1 anyway.

[OsO73 491]

21 hours ago, eleks12 said:

I would prefer a South American / Spanish speaking International tree. But anyway +1

Thanks, if any of the TTs (Ground/Naval/Air/helicopters) were incomplete or unavailable, i would consider more the mixed latin American idea, but thats not the case, the 4 TTs are present showing that a nation like this has passes (at least) the minimum requirements for it to be added (a complete naval tree, a mostly complete air tree, consistent ground tree, an ok helicopter tree, the big presence of indigenous vehicles and a little copied ones, finally the possibility of offering new maps (don't forget Fuego Islands), operations for EC and much more). I think this nation has some great potential if added to the game, it could be the first Latin American nation in game.

[Nicholas_Concu 2,634]

Going to give some suggestions for the tree (hopefully you can add)

VCLC MLRS


TAM VCA


Some sort of Vickers tank


M16 AA



VN-1




AAV-7



AMX-VCI




WZ-551



 

[Alan_Tovarishch 860]

As a fellow argentinian i don´t see a way to fill out the tech tree and still be somewhat competitive with other nations. 

[OsO73 491]

11 hours ago, Nicholas_Concu said:

VCLC MLRS

It was suggested as a premium

11 hours ago, Nicholas_Concu said:

TAM VCA

A lot of people seem to like SPGs like this in game, idk how it will fit the game but if people like it, sure

11 hours ago, Nicholas_Concu said:

Some sort of Vickers tank

This vickers tanks were armed only with light Mgs so there is no much they can do un WT

11 hours ago, Nicholas_Concu said:

M16 AA

If the argentine army  used them sure.

11 hours ago, Nicholas_Concu said:

VN-1

The version sold to argentina lacks the turret or the ATGMs

11 hours ago, Nicholas_Concu said:

AAV-7

Only armed with a 50cal

11 hours ago, Nicholas_Concu said:

AMX-VCI

only armed with a 50cal

11 hours ago, Nicholas_Concu said:

WZ-551

only armed with a 20mm autocanon and no ATGMs

3 hours ago, Alan_Tovarishch said:

As a fellow argentinian i don´t see a way to fill out the tech tree and still be somewhat competitive with other nations. 

We ussually are acustomed to 4 line TTs, in this case, since we lack heavy tanks and some medium ones, we have 3. This tree can be a strong competitor in a big number of BRs  3.0/3.7/4.7/6.7/7.3/7.7, since the best BRs vehicle line ups are present there. sadly top tier is the one that will be the least enjoyable 

[Universae 677]

I actually support this idea. +1

(And not so I can blow them up for the Empire, Muhaha xD) 

 

Genuinely i'd actually like to see smaller tech trees in the game. It gives more people a sense of indaviduallity having their nations represented, and it doesnt mean grinding through a absurdly large tree again and again and again. 

 

Would I play an Argentina tree? Likely not (For lack of time as it is)

But it would be a tree i'd gind out if I ever decided to start another tree being smaller. 

 

But I dont see any reason why it shouldn't be added or represented. 

Be a great reason to add the Falklands as a map too xD

(Plz dont get political) 

[Solarmod 1,203]

I just want this tree for the DL43 and the half track with 6 recoilless rifles. +1.

[Borotovas 4,500]

+1 This could be a smaller tech tree. I think there is also a possibility of creating a larger South American tech tree based on a south American organization.

[PrussianOwl 440]

On 04/03/2020 at 04:29, eleks12 said:

I would prefer a South American / Spanish speaking International tree. But anyway +1

Agreed. Then we could have a Spanish Civil War scenario too, and a place to put the vehicles from then also. I think Spain + the Latin world is enough to make a tree. 

[PikPikker 444]

Great work, +1! I never thought Argentina could get it to the independent tech tree, and I like it so much that I made this tree on my own site. I hope you like it 

https://pikpikker.neocities.org/arg_wt.html

Edited March 22, 2020 by PikPikker

[OsO73 491]

2 hours ago, PikPikker said:

Great work, +1! I never thought Argentina could get it to the independent tech tree, and I like it so much that I made this tree on my own site. I hope you like it 

https://pikpikker.neocities.org/arg_wt.html

Thank you so much !!! i love it !!! 

[OsO73 491]

Update !

After quite some time, we have an update!

we see the addition of All the premium/event Vehicles, and 2 more regular Vehicles:

Premium:

• Universal carrier
• DL-43 (Early)
• Firefly IC
• M-7 Priest
• AML-90 (early)
• T-16 (x6 105s)
• VCLC 
• VCA 155
• Sherman Repotenciado (hybrid Hull)
• Sherman Repotenciado (dozer)
• TH-301 (TAM Prototype)

Researchable:

• Sherman Firefly VC
• Sherman Firefly IVC
• M-7 Repotenciado
• TAM S.XXI

This update left the Tree having a total of 50 Vehicles, 39 of them being researchable, and only 6 of them being Copies.

Edited July 17, 2020 by OsO73

[El_Mentulis 90]

Nice post, do you have the 75mm Krupp AP values or at least information?

 

I would like to recommend a version of the M3 with x6 105 recoiless rifle (haha funny, not for the enemy) http://www.militariarg.com/tractortruck-prime-mover-vehicles-wheeled-artillery.html

 

 

and the Type "A3" RSW truck w/Oerlikon 20mm L70 M1938 DCA (It can be Type A3 truck Oerlikon 20mm or something like that). the only info I found http://www.militariarg.com/air-defense-artillery.html

 

Edited May 13, 2020 by El_Mentulis

[OsO73 491]

1 hour ago, El_Mentulis said:

Nice post, do you have the 75mm Krupp AP values or at least information?

 

I would like to recommend a version of the M3 with x6 105 recoiless rifle (haha funny, not for the enemy) http://www.militariarg.com/tractortruck-prime-mover-vehicles-wheeled-artillery.html

 

 

and the Type "A3" RSW truck w/Oerlikon 20mm L70 M1938 DCA (It can be Type A3 truck Oerlikon 20mm or something like that). the only info I found http://www.militariarg.com/air-defense-artillery.html

 

Sure, ill eventually add the M3 and change the name of the AA truck. As for the 75mm Krupp gun, i do have the values somewhere, but they are not that impressive (like 70ish mm at maximum). Thanks for the suggestion 

[COLDOWN 12]

Hello, some comments:

 

Nahuel:

The turret gun was a Madsen too, a 11.35mm antiaircraft gun.

Source: Zona Militar.

 

 

TH-301/TAM Prototype:

Identification and Picture are Wrong. Your picture is not an Argentine TAM Prototype, but the German export version TH-301-105.

 

The TAM Prototype number 1 is named TAM-A (or TAM-1) in Argentina and TH-300 in Germany.

_ This is an argentine TAM-A prototype:

_ This is a german TH-300 prototype:

 

The TAM Prototype number 3 is named TAM-4 in Argentina and TH-301 in Germany.

_ This is an argentine TAM-4 prototype-preserie:

_ This is the german TH-301-105 prototype:

_ This is a german TH-301-105 prototype too:

 

And this is the Brazilian "TAM" offered as the german export version in the late 70s.

 

Then TAM-4 was the pre-series for argentine TAM. And TH-301 was the export version by germany, that got an evolution in its equipment and a 120mm prototype too.

Wich one is Better? TH-300 (1976) < TAM-A (1977) < TH-301 (1978) = TAM-4 (1978-9) = TAM (1980) < TH-301-105 (1980s-90s) < TH-301-120 (1978). Maybe.

 

Yes the "german TAM" in game should be "TH-300" or "TH-301 (1970s)".

 

Hope it helps. Continue the good work.

 

Regards

Iván

Edited May 24, 2020 by COLDOWN

[OsO73 491]

7 hours ago, COLDOWN said:

Hello, some comments:

 

Nahuel:

The turret gun was a Madsen too, a 11.35mm antiaircraft gun.

Source: Zona Militar.

 

 

TH-301/TAM Prototype:

Identification and Picture are Wrong. Your picture is not an Argentine TAM Prototype, but the German export version TH-301-105.

 

The TAM Prototype number 1 is named TAM-A (or TAM-1) in Argentina and TH-300 in Germany.

_ This is an argentine TAM-A prototype:

_ This is a german TH-300 prototype:

 

The TAM Prototype number 3 is named TAM-4 in Argentina and TH-301 in Germany.

_ This is an argentine TAM-4 prototype-preserie:

_ This is the german TH-301-105 prototype:

_ This is a german TH-301-105 prototype too:

 

And this is the Brazilian "TAM" offered as the german export version in the late 70s.

 

Then TAM-4 was the pre-series for argentine TAM. And TH-301 was the export version by germany, that got an evolution in its equipment and a 120mm prototype too.

Wich one is Better? TH-300 (1976) < TAM-A (1977) < TH-301 (1978) = TAM-4 (1978-9) = TAM (1980) < TH-301-105 (1980s-90s) < TH-301-120 (1978). Maybe.

 

Yes the "german TAM" in game should be "TH-300" or "TH-301 (1970s)".

 

Hope it helps. Continue the good work.

 

Regards

Iván

Thanks !

ill update the names and i will probably add both the german export version and one of the prototypes.

[Nicholas_Concu 2,634]

Argentine Half track with M20 recoiless rifle (75mm)

[PlanyKaanere 722]

1 hour ago, Nicholas_Concu said:

Argentine Half track with M20 recoiless rifle (75mm)
 

 

That doesn't look like an M20 RR. It's way too bulky and lacks the nozzle at the breech.

 

 

It also doesn't look like the usual cannon of an M3 GMC. No idea of what else it could be.

[OsO73 491]

The gun its a 75mm Krupp, the recoilless one (M-20 equivalent) was only mounted in the T-16 Carriers 

1 hour ago, Nicholas_Concu said:

Argentine Half track with M20 recoiless rifle (75mm)

 

12 minutes ago, PlanyKaanere said:

 

That doesn't look like an M20 RR. It's way too bulky and lacks the nozzle at the breech.

 

 

It also doesn't look like the usual cannon of an M3 GMC. No idea of what else it could be.

 

Edited July 12, 2020 by OsO73