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[COLDOWN 12]

On 12/07/2020 at 13:14, Nicholas_Concu said:

Argentine Half track with M20 recoiless rifle (75mm)

Gun is a D.G.F.M. 75/30 1.950.

It´s a Krupp 7,5 cm. 30 cs. Mo. Ar. 1.909 adapted for armored vehicles.

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On 18/07/2020 at 03:55, COLDOWN said:

Gun is a D.G.F.M. 75/30 1.950.

It´s a Krupp 7,5 cm. 30 cs. Mo. Ar. 1.909 adapted for armored vehicles.

Este es el cañón antes señalado

Saludos

 

[OsO73 491]

Update !

This is part 1 of a big update, we see the addition of various vehicles and the whole TT being Reworked. (more vehicles will come with the future updates)

Spoiler

Thanks for your time and excuse the tremendous time it took to get part of this done!

[OsO73 491]

Update !

A second part to this big update i was doing. So.. whats new?. we see the addition of various vehicles:

• M3&M5 halftracks with various types of armaments (105mm mod1974, 20mm Oerlikon)
• A willys jeep with a DGFM 75mm recoilless cannon 
• New AA vehicles 
• A new model of Sherman firefly 
• Uruguayan Premiums

Aside from the new additions, a few vehicles had been moved in Br or rearranged. (TAM 2C moved at Rank VII, Patagon at 7.3, etc)

A possible 3rd part of the update should come adding a few more vehicles in the future.

[AGrievousGuy 3]

On 03/03/2020 at 12:16, OsO73 said:

Argentine Ground Tech Tree

For the last of the Argentine Tech Trees, the ground forces, after the addition of the TAM and now the TAM2C i suggest Argentina to be represented in WT, you might be asking ¿why?, this is a small nation compared to others we see suggested, aside from that, we see a good amount of unique vehicles, modifications and some copies here and there. I think this tree could be a really nice addition for the game and with it other things could come, like maps or even other Latin American nations.  

 

The Tree Itself:

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Tier By Tier Analysis:

Tier I

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When it comes to the First Tier, we start with a weird selection of Vehicles, for one side we have the T-16s carriers (or Universal/Bren carriers if you're British) witch were modified by the argentine army to accommodate more powerful armament, we also have various M3 halftracks with a 75mm Krupp cannon and 20mm cannons, a Chevrolet truck with a 1938 Oerlikon AA gun and lastly one of the modified crusader tractors witch also accommodates the 75mm krupp gun.

 

T-16s

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The t-16s in rank one dived themselves in 3 variants for rank I, 2 reserves and one 2.0 one, the 2 reserves are pretty similar, a 7,62 Mg a 12,7 heavy mg and in the case of the PAPI variant 2 PAPI rocket launchers (a copy of the panzerfaust) and lastly the M20 variant witch accommodates an M20 recoilless gun (or an argentine made copy)

Both reserve examples are armed with 12.7 Machine guns (or 50 cals) + a Browning 1919 in the front, the second example carries 2 PAPI rockets mounted facing forward (an argentine version of the Panzerfaust)

General Characteristics

Dimensions:

Length: 3.65 m

Width: 2.06 m

Height: 1.57 m

Crew: 3

Armour: 7–10 mm

Main armament:

x1 12.7 heavy Mg 

Secondary armament

Browning 7.62 Mg

x2 PAPI (Proyectil Anti tanque Para Infantería/Anti tank Proyectile for Infantry) 

Engine: 3.9-liter Ford V8 
85 hp (63 kW) at 3,500 rpm

Operational range: 250 km

Max speed: 48 km/h 

 

M-3/M-5 Halftracks

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This us the same halftrack we have in game, the argentine army bought 400 of them (various models M3/M5/M9) in this case we have one example that was fitted with a 75mm Krupp cannon and other that was fused with a 20mm Oerlikon mod1938 cannon, although the 20mm was an AA gun, it wasn't used for that role. 

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Length: 6.17 m

Width: 2.223 m

Height: 2.26 m

Crew: 3/4

Armor: 6–12 mm 

Engine: White 160AX 147 hp (110 kW) at 3,000 rpm

Power/weight: 16.2 hp/metric ton

Max Speed 72 km/h on road

Armament:

x1 75mm Krupp Cannon

or 

x1 20mm Oerlikon mod 1938

 

Jeep 75mm

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A normal Willys jeep armed with a 75mm DGFM recoilless gun, this gun uses custom HEAT rounds out from the 75mm Bofors cannons.

At first i thought that the gun was only transported on the vehicle, but during an interview to some personnel of the regiment they stated that the gun could actually be fired from the vehicle, thats pretty interesting. 

 

Chevrolet AA

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This is one of the the earliest AA vehicle in the argentine army i could find, the mounting for the Oerlikon gun was locally made, information about this vehicles is pretty scarce, but its a great start for an early AA vehicle

Information about this vehicle shows that it is a 1941 Chevrolet truck modified to carry 1 20mm Oerlikon M23 AA cannon

Thornycroft AA

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DCA, Type "A3" RSW truck/half-track w/Oerlikon 20mm L70 M1938 DCA (AAA) gun.

Crew in this vehicle and overall performance is increased compared to the last AA vehicle due to a more stable platform and more crew to operate it.

Crusader 75mm

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Being one of the most interesting and obscure argentine vehicles, this tank destroyer was made when argentina modified their crusader tractors with different cannons (this is one of the 3 different versions)

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Length: 5,99m 

Width: 2,77m 

Height: 2,27m 

Crew: 5

Armor: 40mm Casemate (all sides)

Engine: 340hp Nuffield-Liberty V12

Max Speed: 48 km/h

Armament:

75mm Krupp 1909 field gun

From my research AP and HE rounds Were used (both Shared with the Nahuel DL-43)

 

Tier II

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We get up to Tier II, we see an M4A4, the famous DL-43, the remaining crusaders and some other vehicles.

 

DL.43

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The first argentine made tank, this tank has an excellent armor arrangement but a very weak gun compared to the tanks of the same time

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Length:6.22 m  

width: 2.33 (or 2.63, contested)

Height: 2.95 m

Total weight, battle ready 35 tons

Crew: 5 

PropulsionFMA-Lorraine-Dietrich 12 Eb, W12, WC, 500 hp, 14.3 hp/tonne

Maximum speed40 km/h 

SuspensionVertical Volute Springs (VVSS)

Range on road: 250 km 

ArmamentMain: 75 mm Krupp M1909
Secondary: x1 13mm  Madsen Mg 
 x3  7.62 mm light machine-guns

Armor: Maximum of 80 mm 

 

M4A4

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The regular Sherman used by the Argentine army, already in game.

ACKWX 353AA

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i really have nothing to say when it comes to this vehicle. looks like a ton of fun 

M7 Priest

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SPG used by the argentine Army, acquired right after WW2

General characteristics:

Length: 6.02 m

Width: 2.87 m 

Height: 2.54 m

Armor: 12–62 mm

Main armament

105 mm M1/M2 Howitzer (69 rounds)

Similar engine to the M4 Sherman
range: 193 km

Maximum speed: 39 km/h (on road)
24 km/h off road

Crusader 75B & 105

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Vehicles made out of the Crusader tractors, this ones carry the 75mm bofors cannon and the other a 105mm Schneider-Creusot Mle.1928 howitzer 

1st picture with 105 howtizer, 2nd with 75mm Bofors

 

 

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Length: 5,99m 

Width: 2,77m 

Height: 2,27m 

Crew: 5

Armor: 40mm Casemate (all sides)

Engine: 340hp Nuffield-Liberty V12

Max Speed: 48 km/h

Armament:

For one of the vehicles the armament was the French 105mm Schneider-Creusot Mle.1928 howitzer and for the other was the 75mm L40 Bofors gun

 

Tier III

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Tier 3 is where we start seeing more foreign vehicles, although there are quite a few indigenous modifications. 

 

M4A2

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Same vehicle to the one in the US tree but with large hatches and their added armor.

Sherman Firefly

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The argentine army got various versions of the Sherman Firefly, 2 of them will be in the regular tree, The Firefly IC Hybrid and the Firefly VC 

as you can see in the picture, the first 3 examples are different versions of the firefly, VC, IC and IC hybrid

 

Unimog AA

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Characteristics of the 20mm Oerlikon

Weight: 480kg (empty)
Caliber: 20 mm
Fire rate: 450 Rounds per minute

Bullet speed: 820 m/s
Max Range: 2.000 m against aerial target
360 rotation (limited only by the structure of the vehicle)

 

Jeep ika (105)

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This Vehicle uses the Czekalski Mod 1968 recoilless cannon, wich receives a Heat round capable of penetrating 200mm of RHA 

 

M3/M5 (105)

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A modernization of the M3/M5/M9 halftracks adding a 105mm recoilless cannons to them, i selected the M3 and M5 to be in game, although a premium version could be added in the form of the M9 (all are the same halftrack with little differences)

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Length: 6.17 m

Width: 2.223 m

Height: 2.26 m

Crew: 3/4

Armor: 6–12 mm 

Engine: White 160AX 147 hp (110 kW) at 3,000 rpm

Power/weight: 16.2 hp/metric ton

Max Speed 72 km/h on road

Armament: x1 105 1968 Czekalski Recoilless Cannon and a FAP rifle (mounted on top of the gun)

 

T-16 (105)

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A modernization to the T-16 carierrs adding 105 recoilless cannons to them 

General Characteristics

Dimensions:

Length: 3.65 m

Width: 2.06 m

Height: 1.57 m

Crew: 3

Armour: 7–10 mm

Main armament:

12.7 heavy Mg or M-20 recoilless Cannon/rifle

Secondary armament

Browning 7.62 Mg

Engine: 3.9-liter Ford V8 
85 hp (63 kW) at 3,500 rpm

Operational range: 250 km

Max speed: 48 km/h

Armament:

1 1968 105 Czekalski Recoilless Cannon, a FAP rifle (mounted on top of the gun) and a Browning 1919 fixed forward

 

Tier IV

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In Tier IV we will find a huge assortment of lightly armored fast hard punching tanks, 3 alike scout and combat vehicles the AML-90, the Mowag with the 90mm gun and the ERC-90 with same BR and gun but different armour and mobility, we also recieve other platforms with an upgraded 105 recoilless gun, an M41 and an anti air M-113

 

M41

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M-113 AA

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General Characteristics 

Dimensions:

Length 4.863 m

Width 2.686 m

Heigh t2.5 metres 

Crew 3/4

Mass:12.3 tonnes 

Armor 5083 Aluminium Alloy 28–44 millimeters 

Engine: Detroit Diesel 6V53T, 6-cylinder diesel engine 275 hp (205 kW)

Power/weight22.36 hp/tonne

Suspension torsion bar, 5 road wheels

Speed67.6 km/h (42.0 mph), 5.8 km/h (3.6 mph) swimming

Main Armament: 1 20mm Oerlikon Cannon

Characteristics of the 20mm Oerlikon

Weight: 480kg (empty)
Caliber: 20 mm
Fire rate: 450 Rounds per minute

Bullet speed: 820 m/s
Max Range: 2.000 m against aerial targets
360 rotation 

AML-90,MOWAG (90mm) and ERC-90

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all light vehicles that use the same gun, differentiated by their hull and speed, very similar in when it comes to tactics in game

ERC-90

General Characteristics:

Length 7.7 m 

Width2.50 m 

Height2.25 m 

Crew3

Armor 10 mm

Mass 8.3 tons
armament Giat F1 90mm

Secondary armament 2× 7.62 mm machine guns

EnginePeugeot V-6 Petrol engine 155 hp at 5,250 rpm

Power/weight 18.7 hp/ton

Suspension6×6 coil springs with shock absorbers

Operational range 730 km (450 mi)

Speed90 km/h (56 mph)

Amphibious 

 

AML-90

Length 4,15m

width 1,97m

height 2,07m

Mass 2,2 tons

Crew 3

Armament: Giat F1 90mm 

Secondary armament 7.62 Mgs 

Engine: 1,99L 1model 4 HD Flat Four cylinders 90hp at 4700 RPM

Max Speed: 90km/h

 

MOWAG-90

Length 4,73 m

Width 2.05 m

Height 2,1 m

Mass 4.400 kg

Crew: 3

Armor: 6-12 mm

Armament: Giat F1 90mm 

Secondary weapons: x1 7.62 mm Mg

Engine: V 8 Chrysler LA 318-3 160 hp

Max speed: 100 km/h

T-16 UC (x6 105)

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An experimenta that fitted 6 105mm recoilless cannons in a UC chassis, kinda like an ontos, but the guns are centered in a rotating support that can also pivot down and up.

M5&M9 (105-1974)

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This vehicles recieved the 1974 version of the Czekalski 105mm canon, this gives them a more powerful HEAT round capable of penetrating 400mm of RHA

Unimog (105-1974)

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A modified Mercedes Unimog to carry and shoot the 105 recoiless cannon

This vehicle carries the 1974 105 Czekalski Recoilless Cannon witch can get access to a heat round with 400mm of pen . it also could carry the 1968 version (that version will be in a Lower BR)

 

Tier V

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Tier V is composed of a number of different vehicles that carry the same gun (with the exception of the VAPE 1 & 2), having the Highest ranking Sherman, the "Repotenciado", the AMX-105, the Sk-105s and the Patagon carrying the same 105 cannon, (licensed built in argentina of course), accompanied by the VAPE 1 & 2, an exploration and support vehicle armed with a 90mm gun and the VCR AA a IFV witch also is used for AA duties.

 

Sherman Repotenciado

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A complete rebuild and Upgrade over the regular M4 and Firefly that argentina had at the time, with new engines, gun and suspensions. Two versions exist based on their hulls (casted and welded) one of this versions should be added as a premium, 2 versions of this vehicle will be seen in game, one with a regular M4A4 chasis and other with a Hybrid chasis. 

General Characteristics

Dimensions

Length:6 m 

width: 2.6 m 

height: 2.7 m

Total weight, battle-ready 31.61 tons

Crew: 4

PropulsionPoyaud 520 8-cyl diesel

Maximum speed: 48 km/h 

SuspensionVertical Volute Springs (VVSS)

Range on road200km or 280km (124 or 174 miles)

Armament 105 mm L44/57 FTR
1x 7.62 MAG coacial
1x 12.7 Browning M2HB

ArmorHull: Front 51 mm (2 in)
Side 38.25 mm (1.5 in)
Rear 38.25 mm (1.5 in)
Turret: Front 76.5 mm (3 in)
Side 51 mm (1 in)
Rear 51 mm (1 in)

 

AMX-13 (105)

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The light and fast AMX-13 we see in the french tree, modified to carry a 105mm gun derived from the AMX-30

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Length 6.36 m with gun and 4.88 m hull only

Width 2.51 m 

Height 2.35 m

Mass 13.7 t empty 14.5 t combat

Crew 3 (Commander, gunner and driver)

Armour 10–40 mm 

Main armament

105 mm L44/57 FTR

Secondary armament

1× 7.62 mm coaxial machine gun with 3,600 Rounds
1× 7.62 mm AA machine gun (optional)
2× 2 smoke grenade dischargers

Engine SOFAM Model 8Gxb 8-cylinder water-cooled petrol engine 250 hp (190 kW)

Power/weight 17 hp/ton

SuspensionTorsion bar suspension

Operational range 400 km 

Max speed: 60 km/h 

 

VCR AA

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An IFV that also have AA capabilities in a remote controlled turret at the top

General Characteristics:

Length: 4,88 m

Width: 2,5 m

height: 2,13 m

mass: 9.7 Tn

Crew: 3

Armor: up to 12 mm

Main armament:

20mm French origin auto cannon, controlled from the inside of the vehicle 

Engine: Peugeot PRV V-6

Max speed: 90km/h

Range: 700km

Amphibious 

 

VAPE 1 & 2

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An exploration and support vehicle, also anphibius, armed with a 90mm cannon in a fast and agile chasis

General Characteristics:
Dimensions:

Length(with cannon barrel): 8,135m (VAPE 1) 8,245m (VAPE 2)

Width: 2,50 m

Heigth: 2,552m (VAPE 1) 2,828m (VAPE 2)

Crew: 3

Armor:

Max Speed: 100km/h

Engine:

Armament: 90mm GIAT F4 CS Super 90 (-8/+15)

Version 2 was a more refined vehicle, being faster and a little larger than the 1 (also Amphibious )

 

Sk-105 (A1 and A2)

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A fast and agile tank with a great gun used in mountainous terrain by the argentine army

The A2 version has access to APFSDS round and thermal visors.

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Length 5.58 metres 7.76 m With the main gun

Width 2.5 m

Height 2.88 m 

Crew: 3

Mass 17.7 tonnes (19.5 short tons; 17.4 long tons)

Armor: from 8mm to 40 mm 

Main armament

SK-105A1: 105 mm Rifled Gun

SK-105A2: 105 mm CN105G1 rifled gun

Secondary armament

7.62×51mm NATO co-axial machine gun

EngineSteyr 7FA / 6-cylinder diesel engine
320 hp (238 kW)

Suspension: torsion bar, 5 road wheels

Speed70 km/h (43 mph)

 

Patagon

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a mashup between the hull of an SK-105 hull and a AMX-13(105) this vehicle will perform very close to the SK-105A1

 

 

 

Tier VI

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Tier VI sees the already in game TAM and the upgraded version, the TAM 2, it also has an M60, an obscure vehicle that the US gifted to argentina and it operated for a short time before the TAM was materialized and lastly we see a humvee with a Tow missile, the only ATGM vehicle we will see.

 

M-60

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it was gifted to argentina by the US, it saw limited service next to the older shermans that were in their last years.

This vehicle can be found on the american TT

 

TAM

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Already in war thunder

General Characteristics:

Dimensions 

Length 8.23 m (6.77 m without gun)

Width 3.12 m

Height 2.42 m

Total weight, battle ready 30.5 tons 

Crew: 4 (commander, driver, loader, gunner)

PropulsionMTU-MB 833 Ka-500 6-cyl diesel, 720 hp (540 kW)

Maximum speed75 km/h  on road

Suspensions Torsion bar

Armament105 mm (4.13 in) FM K.4 Modelo 1L
2 x 7.62 mm NATO FN MAG GMPG (0.3 in) coax/AA

ArmorNose glacis, turret mantlet 50 mm (2 in)

 

An upgraded version TAM S.XXI receives better optics and thermals (thing that the original TAM doesn't have)

Unimog AA (HS)

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 A 30mm Hispano Suiza 831 AA gun, mounted in a Unimog Truck, this system is fast and modern with assisted aiming 

The gun:

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Humvee + TOW

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Tier VII

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At the top of the tree we have 3 vehicles, in one side the last upgrade on the TAM2C, the TAM2IP, and the Marrua RBS-70. 

TAM 2C

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Recently added to the Game

TAM2IP

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An improved version of the TAM2 adding an Armor pack to it, This version adds every modification present in the 2 C and gives the TAM a great protection compared to that it had before

Marrua RBS-70

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A 4x4 truck that was modified of carry an anti air RBS-70, the platform gives it a better ability and the armament its great to intercept all kinds of aerial enemies

 

Recoilless Guns issue:

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According to a lot of the information i found, the recoilless guns have 2 versions, 1968 and 1974, both look exactly the same and have no difference at least at first looks but the heat rounds of the 1974 version can pen double of what the 1968 can (Heat 1968: 200mm Heat 1974: 400mm), lots of the vehicles we see in the TT could have carried both series, in that case that would be an exuse to re add the T-16, M-3/9 or unimog at higher tiers. The M5 and M9 were re-added, the T-16 is awaiting confirmation.

Premiums

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TIER I

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Universal Carrier (BR: 1.0) (PAPI modification or +1 50cal available)

Uruguayan M3A1

TIER II

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Nahuel DL-43 early version (with Hull MGs) (BR: 3.0)

TIER III

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Sherman Firefly IC (BR: 4.7)

Uruguayan M-24

 

 

TIER IV

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AML-90 (BR: 6.7)

M5 Halftrack with x6 105mm Czekalski cannons

 

TIER V

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VCLC (BR: 7.0)

VCA 155 (BR: 6.7)

Uruguayan EE-09 Cascavel 

Sherman Repotenciado (dozer) (BR: 7.0)

TIER VI

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Uruguayan Ti-67 (BR: 8.7)

TAM Prototype (BR: 8.7)

 

 

 

General Play style of the player of this tree:

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A lot of us might notice the lack of any Heavy tanks, and the huge presence of lightly armored vehicles, the argentine army based their doctrine on speed and agility, having such fast and agile tanks will require you to flank or outmaneuver your enemies and make good use of the great guns this tanks receive, long range and flanking attacks are your thing when it comes to this vehicles, some of them are better protected than others, but dont count on it, always rely on this tanks speed and guns.

 

Sources:

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https://www.toopics.com/fuerzasarmadas.arg/?lang=en

https://www.toopics.com/p/2246833640342745020

http://ftr.wot-news.com/2014/06/25/t16-carrier-in-argentina/

http://proyectopragmalia.blogspot.com/2010/05/282-modernizacion-del-vehiculo-mowag.html

https://www.taringa.net/+militares_en_t/canon-antiaereo-oerlikon-gai-bo1-20mm_14do7r

https://www.taringa.net/+apuntes_y_monografias/vehiculos-olvidados-del-ejercito-argentino-vape_12rpk2

https://www.zona-militar.com/foros/threads/proyecto-pendiente-modernización-del-mowag-argentino.21952/

https://desarrolloydefensa.blogspot.com/2010/05/proyecto-pendiente-modernizacion-del.html

https://www.taringa.net/+info/desarrollos-militares-de-la-empresa-tensa_yj6nf

http://www.ipneditores.com.ar/product_info.php?products_id=1093

http://fdra.blogspot.com/2016/02/ea-los-m4-sherman-y-sus-versiones.html

 

 

 

 

 

Nice tech tree!, i would love to see it implemented into the game, some time in the future.

 

And i will sugest a few vehicles that could go in the tree as well.

The Unimog with the 105mm rocket launcher System "Pampero"

And the Cp-30 of 127 mm mounted either on an IVECO Trackker or a Fiat 697N, perhaps one of them as a premium

[OsO73 491]

19 hours ago, AGrievousGuy said:

 

Nice tech tree!, i would love to see it implemented into the game, some time in the future.

 

And i will sugest a few vehicles that could go in the tree as well.

The Unimog with the 105mm rocket launcher System "Pampero"

And the Cp-30 of 127 mm mounted either on an IVECO Trackker or a Fiat 697N, perhaps one of them as a premium

I could see the Unimog based ones working as premiums, thanks for the suggestion !

[AGrievousGuy 3]

8 hours ago, OsO73 said:

I could see the Unimog based ones working as premiums, thanks for the suggestion !

Ur welcome

And i found another one, that could be placed after the crusader as a spg at tier 3.

The Amx mk1 f3 with a 155mm self propelled artillery.

[OsO73 491]

4 hours ago, AGrievousGuy said:

Ur welcome

And i found another one, that could be placed after the crusader as a spg at tier 3.

The Amx mk1 f3 with a 155mm self propelled artillery.

Not a bad suggestion, but this SPG needs to be completely stationary and with crew outside the vehicle (in the ground) in order to open fire. This is a case where the vehicle can't be added, thanks for your effort tho !

[Shadow_Hashashin@psn 0]

15 hours ago, OsO73 said:

Not a bad suggestion, but this SPG needs to be completely stationary and with crew outside the vehicle (in the ground) in order to open fire. This is a case where the vehicle can't be added, thanks for your effort tho !

That is correct, that vehicle cannot open fire when moving, nor the cannon can be operated by the crew since only 2 from the 6 crew members could be transported on the vehicle.

however there are aa machine guns, in game that are not operated by actual crews that still can be used, or the turret of the russian katyusha , for example, had to be operated from the outside, still in game its used as a remote turret, the same for the Pampero MLR unimog that i posted above ( yeah, im the same one that made the 2 last posts, is just that i figured out that i can bin my psn account with a gaijin account). i think that it could be implemented in-game in some way too, since for example, a suggestion about the m12 gun motor carriage, was aproved, and that vehicle has a similar way of usage.

 

Oh and i found another vehicle too, that could go in the tech tree, i hope its useful.

The anti air artillery tractor "Yacaré"

 This one was equiped eith two 11,34mm hmgs, and well a towed 20mm aa cannon could be used with it too.

Edited September 28, 2020 by Shadow_Hashashin@psn

[OsO73 491]

9 hours ago, Shadow_Hashashin@psn said:

That is correct, that vehicle cannot open fire when moving, nor the cannon can be operated by the crew since only 2 from the 6 crew members could be transported on the vehicle.

however there are aa machine guns, in game that are not operated by actual crews that still can be used, or the turret of the russian katyusha , for example, had to be operated from the outside, still in game its used as a remote turret, the same for the Pampero MLR unimog that i posted above ( yeah, im the same one that made the 2 last posts, is just that i figured out that i can bin my psn account with a gaijin account). i think that it could be implemented in-game in some way too, since for example, a suggestion about the m12 gun motor carriage, was aproved, and that vehicle has a similar way of usage.

 

Oh and i found another vehicle too, that could go in the tech tree, i hope its useful.

The anti air artillery tractor "Yacaré"

 This one was equiped eith two 11,34mm hmgs, and well a towed 20mm aa cannon could be used with it too.

I had the Yacare on hold, since its towing the AA gun, and we dont have things like that (we also have quite a few SPAA using the same 20mm gun). we'll see if this are really needed rn. anyway thanks for the effort !!! 

[JGabrielG 2]

I find your lack of VCTP disturbing

 

 

Edited February 3, 2021 by JGabrielG

[AspandaIV 375]

There's 2 or 3 Uruguayan tanks that can be added as premiums

M-41U: An modified version of the M-41A1 developed in Belgium for the Uruguayan army, like the Brazilian variant it had a 90mm Cockerill cannon and an FN MAG co axial MG, it even uses the same engine as the M-41B/C's, unlike the M-41'C it had a different armor layout and it can have addon armor unlike it's Brazilian counterpart. Uruguay got their first batch of M-41U's in 1981 and operated around 22 M-41U's 

M-41C: A subset of the M-41B (which itself is a modified M-41A1) built for specifications set by the Brazilian Marines, the M-41B & C had a modified rear section so to fit a diesel engine, it also had it's original 76mm cannon replaced with a 90mm Cockerill cannon and the 0.30cal Browning co axial MG is replaced with an FN-MAG, the main differences between the B & C is that the C had a DS-12 OA instead of the DS-14A 04 that the B originally used and it had a rangefinder. Uruguay acquired 25 M-41C's from Brazil in 2017 to replace their aging fleet of M-24 Chaffee's
 

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BVP-1: Uruguay brought 15 Czech built BMP-1's, they'll function identically to the BMP-1's we have ingame with the exception that they didn't used the ATGM's that the Soviet or German BMP-1's did, though it could be substituted with MILAN's since Uruguay does use MILAN ATGM's
 

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[OsO73 491]

7 hours ago, JGabrielG said:

I find your lack of VCTP disturbing

 

 

The VCTPs (as far as i recall) have never been armed with something more than the RH202 20mm auto-cannon, if they had (at least in a prototype stage) some sort of ATGM or other more powerful armament ill gladly add them.

3 hours ago, AspandaIV said:

There's 2 or 3 Uruguayan tanks that can be added as premiums

M-41U: An modified version of the M-41A1 developed in Belgium for the Uruguayan army, like the Brazilian variant it had a 90mm Cockerill cannon and an FN MAG co axial MG, it even uses the same engine as the M-41B/C's, unlike the M-41'C it had a different armor layout and it can have addon armor unlike it's Brazilian counterpart. Uruguay got their first batch of M-41U's in 1981 and operated around 22 M-41U's 

M-41C: A subset of the M-41B (which itself is a modified M-41A1) built for specifications set by the Brazilian Marines, the M-41B & C had a modified rear section so to fit a diesel engine, it also had it's original 76mm cannon replaced with a 90mm Cockerill cannon and the 0.30cal Browning co axial MG is replaced with an FN-MAG, the main differences between the B & C is that the C had a DS-12 OA instead of the DS-14A 04 that the B originally used and it had a rangefinder. Uruguay acquired 25 M-41C's from Brazil in 2017 to replace their aging fleet of M-24 Chaffee's
 

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BVP-1: Uruguay brought 15 Czech built BMP-1's, they'll function identically to the BMP-1's we have ingame with the exception that they didn't used the ATGM's that the Soviet or German BMP-1's did, though it could be substituted with MILAN's since Uruguay does use MILAN ATGM's
 

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Thanks, ill try to add them as soon as possible (i do think their BMPs had the original ATGM)

[_Villares 7]

@OsO73 You can add this vehicle to the line 

 

TAM VCDA Dragon

[OsO73 491]

12 hours ago, Pedro_Villares said:

@OsO73 You can add this vehicle to the line 

 

TAM VCDA Dragon

Well, adding this vehicle will require a compromise, since the vehicle wasn't built by TAMSE and was only a german competitor to the gepard. Argentine authorities expressed some interest on the vehicle and actually planned to build it locally (Dragon turret or a more simpler one), after some years of german cooperation the project was discarded.

 

We could argue that since it shares the hull with the common TAM it could be added (might want to know the opinion of players on this topic).This could be a nice AA top tier AA vehicle (thing that we lack). Nonetheless ill add it and i'll tag it as a non finished vehicle, but again i would like to know your opinion on this.

 

Comparable argentine concept:

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Edited February 20, 2021 by OsO73

[OsO73 491]

Update!

Ill be adding the criteria that i use for the tree, this might not sound like much, but is a great way to understand my choices when it came to my selection of vehicles for the Ground tree. This doesn't mean i ran out of vehicles, in fact, i gather quite a few more and im doing some adjustments so i could have everything re-balanced.

Criteria (Ground forces):

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When it comes to argentine tanks, or ground forces in general, i restrict myself to vehicles to this:

• Vehicles used and adopted by the argentine army (Examples: TAM, SK-105, etc)
• Vehicles used by the neighboring nations of Uruguay/Paraguay (Premiums, Examples: Ti-67, M3 Stuart, etc)
• Vehicles modified/Upgraded in argentina (Examples: Sherman Repotenciado, Up-gunned M5/M9 Halftracks, etc)
• Prototypes Finished/Partially finished in argentina (Examples: Mowag 90mm and Mowag AA, TAM VCDA)

Note that most of the vehicles if not all of them with 2 or 3 exceptions were completed and saw some sort of use/testing. I think accepting this 2/3 "compromises" is acceptable for us to have a more complete tree. 

Im really sorry that i dont update often, please be patient, ill try to get all trees updated and complete as soon as posible. 

[Yontzee 1,673]

I feel like this would be a good sub-division of the German tree. Nevertheless hope it will make it in! +1

[OsO73 491]

Update!

We see the addition of some new vehicles:

• Jeep M20 (Rank I BR: 2.0)
• T-16 with Oerlikon 20mm (Rank i BR: reserve)
• Mowag S530 (Rank V BR: 7.7)
• TAM VCDA (Rank VI BR: 8.7)

We also see some BR and Rank Adjustments:

• VAPE 1&2 have been moved to Rank VI, changed to BR 8.3 and 8.7 Respectably 
• Sk-105A2 have been moved to Rank VI, changed to BR 8.3
• Unimog AA (HS) have been moved to Rank V
• VCR AA have been moved to Rank IV

ill try to update the Premiums soon!

[modern_primat 182]

if gaijin dont it as tree, it can be subtree in germany. +1

[OsO73 491]

Update!

We see the addition of some new vehicles:

• Paraguayan M3A1 (Rank I Premium BR: 2.0)
• Paraguayan Captured Vickers Type E (Rank I Premium BR: 1.0)
• Paraguayan Firefly VC (with Ford GAA V8) (Rank III Premium BR: 4.7)
• Mercedes 230G with 105mm recoilless cannon (Rank IV BR: 6.7)
• Uruguayan OT-64 (M40) (Rank IV BR: 6.7)
• Paraguayan Sherman Repotenciado (Rank V Premium BR: 7.0)
• Uruguayan VCIM-1 (Rank V BR: 7.3)

A folder with possible entries and new stuff regarding the tree was added (with some examples of vehicles that could come in the future)

Old images have been replaced with better high quality ones. 

[Twich-Mystyk@psn 13]

La verdad hoy cuando vi lo de la rama aérea argentina me estallo la cabeza de lo bien hecha que esta y cuando veo esto me encanto y espero que en un futuro metan esta nacion en warthunder porque tiene muchas cosas. creo que la nacion de argentina es que va hacer la mas divertida solamente por los vehículos a rueda y eso me encanta y espero que no se convierta en alemania 2.0

mi opinión es 

 

1. tiene muchos tanque, aviones, helicópteros y barcos seguramente van a poner a argentina 

 

2. me parece raro que el M113 AA este en 5.7 y el UNIMOG AA en 7.3 creo que deberían cambiarlo 

 

3. me pareció raro que no apareciera el TAM VCTP estaría bueno que lo pongan 

 

4. esto es un trabajo muy bueno y muy bien hecho. ME ENCANTA TU TRABAJO SIGUE ASI !!!!!!!

[ARGENTVS 292]

VUG with 3 Cobra ATGMs, 1980s.

[OsO73 491]

10 hours ago, Twich-Mystyk@psn said:

La verdad hoy cuando vi lo de la rama aérea argentina me estallo la cabeza de lo bien hecha que esta y cuando veo esto me encanto y espero que en un futuro metan esta nacion en warthunder porque tiene muchas cosas. creo que la nacion de argentina es que va hacer la mas divertida solamente por los vehículos a rueda y eso me encanta y espero que no se convierta en alemania 2.0

mi opinión es 

 

1. tiene muchos tanque, aviones, helicópteros y barcos seguramente van a poner a argentina 

 

2. me parece raro que el M113 AA este en 5.7 y el UNIMOG AA en 7.3 creo que deberían cambiarlo 

 

3. me pareció raro que no apareciera el TAM VCTP estaría bueno que lo pongan 

 

4. esto es un trabajo muy bueno y muy bien hecho. ME ENCANTA TU TRABAJO SIGUE ASI !!!!!!!

Gracias !!!!

[Twich-Mystyk@psn 13]

I have a question all this, what are you doing to try to get Argentina into war thunder happened with another nation? I mean if they did the same as you do to put China, Sweden, etc.

 

tengo una pregunta todo esto lo que estas haciendo para tratar de meter argentina en war thunder paso con otra nacion?? me refiero que si hicieron lo mismo que tu haces para meter a china, suecia, etc

Edited May 10, 2021 by Twich-Mystyk@psn

[OsO73 491]

22 hours ago, ARGENTVS said:

VUG with 3 Cobra ATGMs, 1980s.

I believe that the vehicle can't fire with its crew inside ! (the exhaust of the missiles faces directly to the crew driving).

 

14 hours ago, Twich-Mystyk@psn said:

I have a question all this, what are you doing to try to get Argentina into war thunder happened with another nation? I mean if they did the same as you do to put China, Sweden, etc.

 

tengo una pregunta todo esto lo que estas haciendo para tratar de meter argentina en war thunder paso con otra nacion?? me refiero que si hicieron lo mismo que tu haces para meter a china, suecia, etc

yes! (sisi)