Arcade - Fighter Tutorial Videos

[starkwolf 609]

Maybe a tutorial on how to use Schrage Musik effectively sometime?  :Ps

 

Sorry to double post, but I would like to know what planes even have it? Would greatly improve my playing if I knew which planes I was flying had it. I could check the armament, but I am not going to go through every single German fighter to figure out which ones those are.

[Target1331 3,055]

Schräge Musik:

Ki-45 Tei - This one is fine in the sense that you can see the gun reticle most of the time when maneuvering

Do 217N-2: This is just horrible in terms of gun sight.

 

I tried to start a suggestion topic about fixing the sight to the gun reticle and not just leave the view straight up. E.g. if you do a 180° roll in the Do 217 while in Schräge Musik gun view, you still look straight up while your guns are pointing straight down!!! http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/149105-fix-schr%C3%A4ge-musik-to-gun-reticle/

 

Best regards,

 

Phil

[starkwolf 609]

Schräge Musik:

Ki-45 Tei - This one is fine in the sense that you can see the gun reticle most of the time when maneuvering

Do 217N-2: This is just horrible in terms of gun sight.

 

I tried to start a suggestion topic about fixing the sight to the gun reticle and not just leave the view straight up. E.g. if you do a 180° roll in the Do 217 while in Schräge Musik gun view, you still look straight up while your guns are pointing straight down!!! http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/149105-fix-schr%C3%A4ge-musik-to-gun-reticle/

 

Best regards,

 

Phil

 

Cool, thx for the heads up. Only 2 planes though. Will try sometime. 

[long5hot 7,302]

I thought the idea was to teach people how to use the hidden gems? I would hardly consider the Cobras hidden gems.

The series originally started out with fighters that were rarely flown or that people found difficult to do well in, but in renaming the thread to simply "Arcade Fighter Tutorials" I've opened the door to any other plane as well. Thing is, with planes that are really easy to fly there really isn't much point in a tutorial vid - I'd only be showing people what they already know or find easy to work out for themselves. Personally I don't like Cobras much, I find their FM is pretty ordinary with no real stand-out strengths and an Australian ping makes 37mm sniping a bit of a lottery.

Edit: Unless Gaijin fixes the problem on their servers that's stopped me & quite a few other people playing the game for several days now, there won't be many more videos anyway :\ Edited June 22, 2014 by long5hot

[long5hot 7,302]

Ok, here's the Spit Mk Ia...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEc4qx1Av7o

I now continue my enforced rest from WT (2 days so far & counting) until Gaijin decide I'm allowed to play once more.

[Freeborn 12,815]

Schräge Musik:

Ki-45 Tei - This one is fine in the sense that you can see the gun reticle most of the time when maneuvering

Do 217N-2: This is just horrible in terms of gun sight.

 

I tried to start a suggestion topic about fixing the sight to the gun reticle and not just leave the view straight up. E.g. if you do a 180° roll in the Do 217 while in Schräge Musik gun view, you still look straight up while your guns are pointing straight down!!! http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/149105-fix-schr%C3%A4ge-musik-to-gun-reticle/

 

Best regards,

 

Phil

 

 

the funny thing with those that they would do really well in night battles, as is the way "schräge Musik" was used if I am not mistaken.

[Target1331 3,055]

That was their main battle ground, night bomber interception. Sadly night battles are far and few and additionally you are marked with a bright red icon over your aircraft when your within 2km or so (I do have the feeling it takes longer in night battles until the icons appear but still not what you want with a sneaky Do 217).
So you're stuck with the Dornier Flying Brick in bright daylight and when you try to shake of an attacker you think "well he's in my turning circle, quick switch to Schräge Musik view" as a last ditch effort to get rid of him... bang you're view goes straight up instead of looking at the gun reticle, throwing you completely off in terms of maneuvering and tracking your enemy and you're toast.
Ok then stay away from enemy fighters and go bomber hunting... wrong again because either a B-25 outturns you or if you're underneath and try to use the Musik he starts maneuvering and you try to adjust your Musik gun reticle, you quickly reach the border of your screen and vola your gun reticle disappears again because the view is fixed to straight up.

 

TL,DR: Schräge Musik the way the view is implement is just effing dumb and makes using it completely useless (slightly less useless for the Ki-45 tei because it is angled more forward and therefore keep the gun reticle longer in the fixed view)

 

Best regards,

 

Phil

[long5hot 7,302]

^^ Wow that is terrible. Thanks for describing all that Phil. I'd be happy to make a vid on using Schräge Musik but not if its implementation is so badly broken - there's just no point.

Also a kind subscriber (PUGaming, this is his vid channel) just sent me the funds to buy the D.520 and Wirraway, which means those planes will skip the queue & will be covered in the next couple of videos. It seems the connection errors have been fixed as well (fingers crossed on that). Edited June 23, 2014 by long5hot

[Target1331 3,055]

The one you could try for fun is the Ki-45 tei. But the Do 217N-2 is just a pain. Not only the Schräge Musik, but also the FM after the 1.39 patch. Before the Do nightfighters were awesome for bomber hunting. Maybe when you feel like you hadn't had a real challenge in a while and want to experience some self-inflicted pain you can try the (second) Do 217 nightfighter group(s). :crazy:

 

But yeah right now it's just not really worth wasting your time especially with all the other aircraft people like to see.

The Wirraway is IMHO quite fun, handles nice, just missing a bit of a front punch with the MG. The D.520 has a decent FM (not the most maneuverable though) and the cannon is going to be the weapon you'll be counting on for kills.

 

Good luck with the battles, have fun and thanks for the vids. :salute:

Best regards,

 

Phil

[Freeborn 12,815]

^^ Wow that is terrible. Thanks for describing all that Phil. I'd be happy to make a vid on using Schräge Musik but not if its implementation is so badly broken - there's just no point.

Also a kind subscriber (PUGaming, this is his vid channel) just sent me the funds to buy the D.520 and Wirraway, which means those planes will skip the queue & will be covered in the next couple of videos. It seems the connection errors have been fixed as well (fingers crossed on that).

 

so you are a pro now  :Ps

[long5hot 7,302]

so you are a pro now  :Ps

Haha no, just open to bribery :)

[Cenric 28]

Thanks for the Spitfire video. It looks like the 1a will be a struggle and not very enjoyable for me.

[long5hot 7,302]

Thanks for the Spitfire video. It looks like the 1a will be a struggle and not very enjoyable for me.

That's not the impression I meant to convey Cenric - yes its not easy, but its definitely a capable and enjoyable plane. You just need to use vertical maneuvers while keeping speed high, rather than straight horizontal turning (which is a last resort in the Spit not the first), and make use of the keyboard to control rudder & elevators as you should in every dogfighter.

[starkwolf 609]

I should watch the vid, but my flying style fit right in with the Spit 1a. Give me a plane that is light and maneuverable, and I can generally make it work for me.

 

Also, long5hot, you liked my one post and wondered how I was at making videos a few pages back? Well, I am planning on hopefully eventually having a personality test online to help players decide what air-superiority fighters to look for. When I am done, perhaps you could take it and see what you think? It will probably be a while yet.  

[long5hot 7,302]

Sure, sounds interesting :)

[SOL_1 1,013]

Versus #3 is up. A6M2 vs Spit 2b and Hellcat. Unfortunately I used music that might be blocked in some countries, my apologies for this & I'll try to avoid that in future...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFyNKKaNopo

Ah goddamn, can you reupload it without music, please? I would like to watch these duels, but blocked music is OP.

Edited June 25, 2014 by PENETRATION

[long5hot 7,302]

Ah goddamn, can you reupload it without music, please? I would like to watch these duels, but blocked music is OP.

 
Unfortunately it takes about 12 hours for these vids to upload, which kills my connection for anything else (that's Aussie internet for you).  I'm making every effort to avoid this happening in future vids, but in the meantime have you tried workarounds such as Firefox's proxtube addon? I know AIM_120_AMRAAM in Germany had this problem and was able to watch the vid using it.

[SOL_1 1,013]

 
Unfortunately it takes about 12 hours for these vids to upload, which kills my connection for anything else (that's Aussie internet for you).  I'm making every effort to avoid this happening in future vids, but in the meantime have you tried workarounds such as Firefox's proxtube addon? I know AIM_120_AMRAAM in Germany had this problem and was able to watch the vid using it.

 

Yes, I found a workaround and was able to watch it. Thanks! I thought that the Spitfire would fare better against the Zero, but it had no chance at all. I'll have to try that out myself though, the Spitfire must have something up it's sleeve to turn the tables.

[YamadaKenshi 9]

Annoyingly im on mobile and thats the fight I wanna see lol :) but I know you are busy getting footage for a certain plane so I wont expect a reupload. Oh if u have jets... the sea meteor and f3 are fairly underused lol

Cheers
PUGaming Edited June 25, 2014 by PhantomUnikorn

[long5hot 7,302]

@PEN, no the Spit has nothing up its sleeves. Its outclassed, pure & simple.

@Phantom, no jets I'm afraid. I have several T4 planes that I've never flown and am in no hurry to fly given the state of gameplay in that tier, and I've generally spread my piloting out across all nations pretty much equally rather than grinding down one path.

[JoJohnson 717]

Keep up the good work.+1

Next vids and thread going on here

 

edit: and I couldn't agree more on the use of the vertical with Spitfires.  I started doing that on Hurricanes when I was first leveling up and the British line is one of my favorites and farthest along progression wise as a result.

[YamadaKenshi 9]

@Phantom, no jets I'm afraid. I have several T4 planes that I've never flown and am in no hurry to fly given the state of gameplay in that tier, and I've generally spread my piloting out across all nations pretty much equally rather than grinding down one path.

Maybe in the future then :) and do u think they should add 1 premium jet to all countries?

[long5hot 7,302]

Maybe in the future then :) and do u think they should add 1 premium jet to all countries?

They probably should, but first they really need equitable Tier 4 premiums for all countries. And aside from that they need Arcade Tier 4 gameplay that isn't dominated by bomber spamming & ultra fast battles, and in Tier 5 bombers need a role so its not just all about fighters plus the spawns & map boundaries should be moved back to allow for the faster speeds of the aircraft (actually this should begin in late T3 imho). So much remains to be done in order to improve the top end of the game, and that's just arcade of course.

[starkwolf 609]

Yes, I found a workaround and was able to watch it. Thanks! I thought that the Spitfire would fare better against the Zero, but it had no chance at all. I'll have to try that out myself though, the Spitfire must have something up it's sleeve to turn the tables.

 

 

@PEN, no the Spit has nothing up its sleeves. Its outclassed, pure & simple.

@Phantom, no jets I'm afraid. I have several T4 planes that I've never flown and am in no hurry to fly given the state of gameplay in that tier, and I've generally spread my piloting out across all nations pretty much equally rather than grinding down one path.

 

As much as I love playing the Zero and tend to point out its uncanny abilities, the Spitfire does have one advantage that can be difficult (but possible) to beat the Zero with: diving. Try not to engage the Zero at low altitude. Never done a straight up duel, this would be difficult. In most games, however, you can (as with any plane) find the Zero distracted, and whatever the Zero is attacking can't turn as well unless it is another Zero. This means it won't be utilizing its full range of turning, and you can turn with it as long as it is hyper-focused on the target, and shoot it down very easily when it's distracted. Also, if the Zero has suffered wing damage, you can out turn it, but don't count on it unless you are the one that damaged the wing and know that it is pretty badly shot up. This is different from most planes (at least in arcade) in that even if the Zero's wing is shot up badly, it can still out-turn most planes, but the Spitfire no longer. 

 

To be honest, I don't know what you would do in a duel, that's a tricky situation for a Spit to be in. But there are some classic approaches that should work pretty well (and better than most planes) in a Spitfire that are highly effective against the Zero. Usually, a well aware Zero will be able to counter this, but once you hit <5seconds to a kill, even the best players tend to lose a lot of map awareness. 

 

Dang, I know I have beat Zeros 1v1 in Spits before, but I can't remember well how it worked. Basically, I think you want a significant altitude difference, either way. If they try and drop behind you, you go vertical and try to turn it into a head on. The incredible agility of the Zero makes it difficult to pull this off, but sometimes the unexpectedness of it will get you a kill. Because it isn't exactly a turn fight, it will be a tricky target, but at least you will be shooting and he will not. If he is lawnmowing, you BnZ. If he tries to maneuver away from you, he still has a slight upper-hand, but not much. And of course, he isn't going to try to head-on you, and if he does that's suicide. 

 

Anyway, duels as a Spit VS Zero aren't fun, but you can make the field almost level. In game situations, you will generally find them distracted enough that hitting them at the right time shouldn't be hard, but as a Spit I always try to take the Zero out first in a furball. The rest of the planes will come much more easily after that. 

[Freeborn 12,815]

 
Unfortunately it takes about 12 hours for these vids to upload, which kills my connection for anything else (that's Aussie internet for you).  I'm making every effort to avoid this happening in future vids, but in the meantime have you tried workarounds such as Firefox's proxtube addon? I know AIM_120_AMRAAM in Germany had this problem and was able to watch the vid using it.

 

best put that link in your start post, I am sure many have these problems.