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Argentine Air Forces Tree

Continuing with the Argentine tech trees, its time we suggest the aircraft, Starting in the early 1910s argentina wanted to get their hands into the military aircraft ideas, using foreign designs as a start the army aviation branch was born, years passed until the aviation branch was formed as a sole Air force, this force will evolve trough the years to be one of the Biggest of latin America.

This nation will be an amazing addition for all war thunder players, since there is a great number of unique aircraft and modifications, armament and more. from the unique low tier props to the high tier jets, this tree is mostly complete, but there are some problems when it comes to Br and Ranks.

 

Q&A

1. Why Argentina ?

This nation has by far a huge ammount of aircraft,it offers more local desings than any other latin american nation, and if we find copies of other aircraft we ussually see them with modifications that are not in game.

 

2. Why not a latin american TT?

This is a hard choice for Gaijin, since mixed trees will tend to be a lot harder to balance and in this case, it really wont reduce the amount of copied vehicles since most of the other nations used American/Russian/British equipment and they didn't produce much of their own. Im not against a mixed tree, but i think you wouldn't like that gaijin adds a tree where there are mirages, sabres, b-17s, lancasters, p-51s, p-47s, P-80s, Mig-21s, Su-17s, DeHavilland Vampires, Hawker Hunters and more. 

 

3. What this TT offers compared to The other we can see in the forums?

The tree has a good variety of differnt and unique options for players, Naval aircraft, hydroplanes, turbo-props, Mach 2 jet fighters/atakkers, light & heavy bombers, guided bombs, missiles,and more. This doesnt mean it offers more or less than the others in the forums, but the unique aircraft+modifications make it a really good choice.

 

4. How many aircraft are in this Tree?

The tree currently has 123 aircraft in total, 35 being premiums/event and the remaining 88 are regular researchable aircraft. All of the aircraft flew under their own power meaning we have no paper desings here.

 

5. How many copies We have in this TT?

From the 88 regular aircraft we have 17 of them being copies, but a good number of them recieve modification that the ones in game dont have, camberra recieving matra SNEBs, A-4 Recieving 30mm as a modification + Shafrir missiles, the avro lancaster recieving guided bombs, etc. 

 

6. Why there are Uruguayan aircraft suggested?

The relationship between Uruguay and Argentina was always very close, and it terms of their military forces, there was always cooperation, sharing of equipment and conjoint training and exercises. We could also see Paraguayan or Bolivian aircraft being added as premiums.

 

The tree itself:

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Aircraft By rank(General Characteristics):

Rank I:

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Dewoitine D-21 & FMA/Dewoitine D-21 (Reserve?)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 12.8 meters

length 7.92 meters

height 2.75 meters

Power Plant: A 450 hp Lorraine- Dietrich 12EW 12-cylinder W-type water-cooled engine
Weight: empty 1090 kg

maximum take-off weight: 1720 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 267 Kph

Service Ceiling: 8991 m

Climb-rate: 7.3 m/s

 

Armament: 

x2 Fuselage mounted Vickers Mgs and x2 wing mounted Darne Mgs (ARA)

x2 Fuselage mounted Madsen Mgs + up to 100kg of bombs

 

 

V-142A (Reserve)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 10.15 meters

length 6.64 meters

height 3.50 meters

Power Plant: A 750 hp Pratt & Whitney R53-A5-6 Twin Wasp radial engine with variable pitch propeller
Weight: empty 1,650 kg, maximum take-off 2,420 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 330 Kph

Range 1,175 km,

autonomy 4 hours.
Armament: 2 7.65 mm Colt MG40 submachine guns, one in a mobile aft in the rear cabin and one fixed/later the navy added changed the gun arrangement to 2 forward facing Mgs and 1 optional in the rear, and up to 215 kg of bombs in lower supports.

V-65F & V-66F (Reserve)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 11.20 meters

length 8.40 meters

height 3.30 meters

Wing surface area 31 meters²

Power Plant: A 630 hp Pratt & Whitney R-1690 Hornet radial engine
Weight: empty 1,450 kg, maximum take-off 2,148 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 289 Kph

range 1,190 km

autonomy 4 hours

service ceiling 5170 meters
Armament: 2 7.65 mm Colt MG40 submachine guns, one in a mobile aft in the rear cabin and one fixed in the upper plane/ the navy upgraded this aircraft to 2 forward Mgs retaining the rear one , plus 2 bombs of 52 kg each in two lower wing supports.

Both V-65 and 66 are really simmiliar.

I.Ae.22 DL (1.0)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 12.60 meters,

length 9.20 meters,

height 2.82 meters,

Wing surface 23.19 m2

Power Plant: A 9-cylinder radial engine I.Ae. 16 The Gaucho (450 hp), Hamilton Standard 2M-D-30 metal double-bladed propeller
Weight: empty 1,520 kg, maximum take-off 2,220 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 290 Kph at 450 meters altitude,

cruise speed 260 Kph

range 1,100 km,

autonomy 4 hours 15 minutes,

service ceiling 5,200 meters.
Armament: 2 7.65 mm Madsen machine guns and 450 projectiles each and 6 air-surface rockets of 11 kg each or 3 bombs of 50 kg each. The aircraft used in observation tasks had a third machine gun in a mobile aft in the rear cabin.

I.Ae.22C 

Performance on this aircraft should better than the regular aircraft since this replaces the Gaucho engine for an Armstrong Siddeley Cheetah (475 hp) and receives a new propeller 

NA-16 (1.3)

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General Characteristics:

Crew: 2

Dimensions:

Length: 8,41 m

Wingspan: 13 m

Height: 2,67 m

Powerplant: 1 Wright R-975 Whirlwind (400hp) 

Empty weight 1396 kg

Max Takeoff Weight: 3080 kg

Performance:

Max speed: 290 Km/h

Cruise Speed 274 Km/h

Range: 1127 Km

Armament:

2x 7.7 Mgs in the nose, one in the back (optional) and Bombs

Grumman G-15, G-20, J2F-6 (1.0 and 1.3)

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This are a series of Hydroplanes used by the Argentine Navy in the observation and attack roles. All are similar but their performance differs depending on the version. 

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

wingspan 11.89 meters

length 10.36 meters

height 4.24 meters

Wing surface 38 m2

Power Plant: A Wright Cyclone R-1820 radial water-cooled 770 hp engine (the J2F6 and G-15 had more powerful engines)
Weights: empty 2486 kg, Gross weight: 3,493 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 310 Kph

cruise speed: 249 Kph

Stall speed: 110 Kph

service ceiling 6100 m 
Armament: 2 Browning machine guns, a 7.62 mm and bombs suspended in the wings.

Hawk III&IV (1.3)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

wingspan 9.6 meters

length 7.17 meters

height 3.03 meters

Wing surface 24.34 m2

Power Plant: A Wright Cyclone R-1820 radial water-cooled 770 hp engine
Weights: empty 1,509 kg, maximum take-off 2,065 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 362 Kph

cruise speed 253 Kph

maximum range, 1167 km

service ceiling 8,230 m 

climb rate: 655 m / min (11 m/s)
Armament: 2 Browning machine guns, a 7.62 mm M1919 and a 12.7 mm M2 and a 215 kg bomb on a ventral support or two 53 kg each in sub-wing supports.

Both Hawk III and IV were quite similar, with the exception of the hawk IV had a fully enclosed cockpit.

AT-6 & SNJ-5C (1.3)

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The AT-6 (Top) differs from the SNJ-5C (bottom) since the later was "Navalized" and it has a more powerful engine.

SNJ-5C

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 12.81 meters 

length 8.84 meters 

height 3.57 meters 

Wing surface 253.7 m2

Power Plant: A radial air-cooled engine, Pratt & Whitney R-1340-AN1 600hp and Hamilton Standard 10/50/46 bi-blade variable pitch propeller
Weight: empty 1,823 kg, maximum take-off 2,381 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 338 Kph 

Range 1,200 km,

service ceiling 7,400 meters.
Armament: 3 7.62mm M2 fixed machine guns and subalar and ventral supports for bombs up to 100kg or rockets

Ae.M.B.1 & 2 (1.0)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 17.20 meter,

length 10.90 meters 

height 2.80 meters 

Wing surface 25 m2

Power Plant: A 715 hp Wright R-1820-F3 Cyclone 9-cylinder radial engine, Hamilton Standard variable-pitch metallic propeller
Weights: empty 2,120 kg, maximum take-off 3,500 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 285 Kph 

cruise speed 240 Kph

reach 600 km

service ceiling 6,000 meters.
Armament: 2 machine guns Madsen 1933 of 7.65 mm in a dorsal turret, a similar one in the hood and another of 11.35 mm in a ventral position and up to 400 kg of bombs.

The Ae.M.B.2 got rid of the top turret, its performance and tail structural strength were better. 

 

P2Y-3A (1.3)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

wingspan 30.48 meters

length 18.82 meters 

height 5.82 meters

Wing surface 140.65 m2

Power Plant: 2 radial Wright Cyclone R-1820-90 750 hp engines
Weight: empty 5.79 kg, maximum takeoff 11,460 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 240 Kph

Range 1,900 km

service ceiling 4,265 mts

Climb rate 3.3 m/s
Armament: 2 7.62 mm machine guns, one of 12.7 mm and up to 910 kg of bombs

K-43 (1.3)

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General characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 17.75 meters

length 10.27 meters

height 3.53 meters

Wing surface 43 m2

Power Plant: 1 BMW 132 660 hp radial engine
Weight: empty 1,700 kg, maximum take-off 3,200 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 265Kph

cruise speed 233 Kph

Range 900 km

service ceiling 6,300 m

climbing speed 3.2 m / sec
Armament: the K.43 could carry up to 1000 kg of bombs 4 7.65 Mgs

Martin 139WA & 139WAA (1.3)

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The WA was a unique demonstrator argentina bought when the US offered the aircraft (It saw regular service)

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 21.49 meters

length 13.64 meters

height 4.70 meters

Wing surface 62.99 m2

Power Plant: 2 radial engines Wright R-1820-33 Cyclone 775 hp each
Weights: empty 4,390 kg, maximum take-off 7,400 kg,
Performance:

maximum speed 340 Kph

Range 2,000 km

service ceiling 7,375 meters
Armament: 3 7.62 mm COLT MG-40 machine guns in three shooting positions (dorsal, ventral and bow) and up to 1025 kg of bombs

The WAA its just a regular B-10B

I.Ae.35 (1.3 or 2.0)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 19.0 meters

length 13.98 meters

height 4.70 meters 

Wing surface 42 m2

Power Plant: 2 radial 9-cylinder engines I.Ae. R-19C 750 hp power, variable pitch gut propellers, Rotol 170-3-30
Weights: empty 3,500 kg, maximum take-off 5,800 kg, fuel 1200 Lts
Performance:

maximum speed 380 Kph at 2100 meters high,

cruise speed 370 km / h at 2800 meters,

Range1450 km,

service ceiling 6,500 meters,

autonomy 4 hours 38 minutes,

Climb rate 6.6 meters / sec
Armament (Model 1b): 2 12.7 mm Browning machine guns fixed on the nose and 4 bombs of 50 kg each or two of 100 kg each and T-10 Rockets.

 

 

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I.Ae.24 (2.3)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 16.34 meters

length 12 meters

height 2.62 meters

Wing surface 38 m2

Power Plant: 2 radial Pratt & Whitney R-1830 S1C3G Twin Wasp 1050 hp radial engines, Hamilton Standard 23-E-50 variable-pitch metallic three-wheel propellers
Weight: empty 5,340 kg, maximum take-off 8,164 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 440 Kph

cruise speed 380 Kph

range 1,100 km,

autonomy 3 hours,

service ceiling 10,000 meters,

Climb Rate: 12.50 meters / sec
Armament: 4 12.7 mm AN / M3 machine guns with 1100 shots, as for the Late variant this will replace the 12.7 Mgs with 20mm hispano cannons and get bombs and rockets as payload.

 

H/75O (2.3 & 2.7)

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General characteristics:

Dimensions:

wingspan 11.38 meters

length 8.71 meters 

height 2.82 meters 

Wing surface 21.92 m2

Power Plant: A 1000 hp Wright Cyclone R-1820G-5 radial engine with Curtiss three-wheel propeller
Weights: maximum take-off 2,340 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 488 Kph at 5,970 meters

service ceiling 9,700 meters, autonomy 4 hours
Armament: 3 7.65 mm Madsen machine guns, 2 on each wing and one fixed on the hood, next to another 11.35 mm Madsen and up to 136 kg of bombs 

*The Army Version has access to bombs, thing that the Air Force Variant lacks.

 

A 3rd version armed with 20mm cannons is available after the regular H75O

 

T-34A (B45) Mentor (2.0)

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General characteristics:

Crew: 2

Length: 7.9 m

wingspan: 10,6 m

Height: 2.9 m

Wing surface: 16,7 m²

Empty weight: 977 kg 

Max Take off weight: 1 315 kg 

Engine: 1× 6 cilinder boxer Continental O-470-13.

Power: 168 kW (225 HP; 228 CV)

Max speed: 306 km/h 

Range: 1 520 km (max)

Service ceiling: 6 096 m 

Climbrate: 6,3 m/s 

Armament: 2 7.62 Mg in the wings and 2 Pylons for bombs or rockets 

T-28A (2.7)

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Worse performance than the T-28F/P, this aircraft were armed with 12.7 machine guns and Bombs (spec list pending) 

SM.79B (2.3)

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A unique example bought and evaluated by the argentine air force

Already in game (German and Italian TTs)

 

PBM/5 (3.0)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 36 meters

length 23.50 meters

height 5.33 meters 

Wing surface 131 m2

Power Plant: 2 radial engines Pratt & Whitney R-2800-22 of 2,000 hp each
Weight: empty 15,048 kg, maximum take-off 25,425 kg,
Performance:

maximum speed 322 Kph

Range 4,800 km

service ceiling 6,040 meters
Armament: 3 turrets with two 12.7 mm Browning M2 machine guns and 2 more in two lateral positions and up to 1814 kg of bombs, torpedoes, anti submarine loads, mines, etc.

8A-2 (2.0)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 14.54 meters

length 9.67 meters

height 3.62 meters

Wing surface 33.7 m2

PowerPlant: A Wright R-1820-G3 840 hp radial
Weights: empty 2,211 kg, maximum take-off 3,328 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 360 Kph 

cruising speed 322 Kph

Range 1915 km

Service ceiling 7,700 mts
Armament: 2 11.65 mm Madsen machine guns, 2 7.35 mm Madsen machines, all located on the wings, a 7.35 mm Madsen on a stand located in the rear cabin and up to 600 kg of bombs

 

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G.55A (3.7)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 11.85 meters

length 9.37 meters

height 3.13 meters

Wing surface 21.11 m2

Power Plant: A FIAT R.A.1050 Tifone V-12 linear motor of 1475 hp (1055 kw)
Weight: empty 2,630 kg, maximum take-off 3,718 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 623 Kph

Range 1,650 km,

service ceiling 12,750 meters,

ascent rate 6000 meters in 5 min 50``
Armament: 2 Breda-SAFAT 12.7 mm machine guns on the wings and up to 2 160 kg bombs in subalar supports.

Fiat G.59 (4.3)

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Dimensions:

Wingspan 11.85 meters

length 9.47 meters

height 3.76 meters

Power Plant: x1 Rolls Royce Merlin T-24-2 V12, with max power of 1630hp at 3000rpm.
Weight: empty 2630 kg, maximum take-off 3100 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 600 Kph

Range 1,700 km,

service ceiling 12700 meters,

Climbrate: 14.5M/s
Armament: 2 Breda-SAFAT 12.7 mm machine guns on the wings and up to 2 160 kg bombs in subalar supports.

 

Spitfire Mk.Viii (4.3)

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Spec list pending 

This aircraft was donated to argentina for testing by the Uk along with 2 other Spitfires (MkIX) and a Hurricane 

T-34C (B45)Turbo mentor (3.0)

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General Characteristics:

Crew: 2

Dimensions

Wingspan: 10.6 m

Length: 9 m

Height: 2.9

Empty Weight: 1360 Kg

Loaded Weight: 1995 Kg

Engine: PT6A-25 turbo-prop engine (Pratt & Whitney Aircraft of Canada)

Power: 550Hp

Maximum speed: 518 Km/h

Cruise speed: 413 Km/h

Range:1100km

Service Ceiling: 7620 m

Climb Rate: 7,62m/s

Armament:

This aircraft has 4 Pylons (compared to the 2 of the T-34A) where it can carry Mg pods (2 twin 7.62 ones) and 2 rocket pods or bombs

T-28S and T-28P (3.7)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 12.37 meters

length 10.06 meters

height 3.86 meters

Wing surface 24.9 m2

Power Plant: A radial engine Wright R-1820-56S Cyclone of 1300 hp, propeller gut
Weight: empty 2,835 kg, maximum take-off 3,855 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 566 Kph

Range 1900 km

service ceiling 10,820 meters
Armament: Up to 1815 kg of weapons in subalar supports such as bombs, machine gun pods, rockets, etc.

Both T-28S and T-28P are really similar, the main difference is that the P variant was modified in argentina to operate from carriers 

PV2-5/SP-2E/SP-2H

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Here we will see 3 aircraft of the "Neptune" series, the PV2-5, SP-2E and SP-2H all will have the same Br since the performance of the 3 is quite similar

PV2-5

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Along with the first PV2-5 there are 2 more who differed on turret arrangement, 3,2 or 1 turret (front, top and tail positions)

General Characteristics: 

Crew:11

Dimensions:

Length: 27,94 m

Wingspan: 31,65 m

Height: 8,94 m

Wing surface: 92,9 mts2

Poweplant: 2x Wright R-3350-30WA Cyclone ( 3.250 HP)

Performance:

Max Speed: 555 Kp/h

Range 4600 Km

Armament:

This aircraft could carry a combination of Bombs, torpedoes, rockets and mines (3629kg)

This particular models had 2x 12.7 Mg in a top turret 

SP-2E

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Simmilar performance compared to the SP-2H

General characteristics:

Crew: 9

Dimensions:

Length: 27,94 m

Wingspan: 31,65 m

Height: 8,94 m

Wing surface: 92,9 mts2

Poweplant: 2x Wright Cyclone R-3350-32W (3.700 hp each) and 2x White Westinhouse J34-WE-34 de 15KN of thrust each

Empty weight: 22.650 Kg

Max takeoff Weight: 35.240 Kg

Performance:

Max speed: 586 Kp/h

Cruise speed: 340 Kp/h

Range: 3540 Km

Service ceiling: 6827 m

Armament:

Up to 3629 Kg of weapons in the internal bomb bay and up to 907 Kg in Sub-wing supports

This aircraft could carry Mk44 torpedoes, depth charges, magnetic mines, regular 90 Kg or 125 Kg bombs and 70mm rockets 

SP-2H

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General characteristics:

Crew: 9

Dimensions:

Length: 27,94 m

Wingspan: 31,65 m

Height: 8,94 m

Wing surface: 92,9 mts²

Poweplant: 2x Wright Cyclone R-3350-32W (3.700 hp each) and 2x White Westinhouse J34-WE-34 de 15KN of thrust each

Empty weight: 22.650 Kg

Max takeoff Weight: 35.240 Kg

Performance:

Max speed: 586 Kp/h

Cruise speed: 333 Kp/h

Range: 3540 Km

Service ceiling: 6827 m

Armament:

Up to 3629 Kg of weapons in the internal bomb bay and up to 907 Kg in Sub-wing supports

This aircraft could carry Mk44 torpedoes, depth charges, magnetic mines, regular 90 Kg or 125 Kg bombs and 70mm rockets 

 

 

S-2A & S-2E (4.7)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 22.12 meters 

length 13.26 meters 

height 5.07 meters 

surface alar 46.08 m2

Power Plant: 2 Wright R-1820-82WA radial motors of 1525 hp each
Weight: empty 8,500kg / maximum take-off 13,220kg
Performance:

Maximum speed 430 kph

Range 2,090 km 

service ceiling 6,700 meters.
Armament: up to 2,200 kg of weapons transported in an internal bombay and in sub-wing supports, bombs, rockets, depth charges, mines or torpedoes MK.41 / .43 / .44 / .46

S-2T (4.7 or 5.0)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 22.12 meters 

length 13.26 meters 

height 5.07 meters 

Wing surface: 46.08 m2

Power Plant: 2 x Garrett TPE331-1-AW turboprops, 1,650 hp (1230 kW) 
Weight: empty 8,500kg / maximum take-off 13,720kg
Performance:

Maximum speed 450 kph

Range 2,090 km 

service ceiling 6,700 meters.
Armament: up to 2,700 kg of weapons transported in an internal bomb-bay and in sub-wing supports, bombs, rockets, depth charges, mines or torpedoes MK.41 / .43 / .44 / .46

 

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I.Ae.30 (5.7)

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General Characteristics:

Crew: 1

Length: 11,52 m

Wingspan: 15,00 m

height: 5,16 m

Wing surface: 35,32 m²

Empty weight: 6.208 kg

loaded weight: 7.600 kg

Powerplant: 2× Rolls-Royce Merlin 604 

Power: 1 324 kW (1 775 HP; 1 800 CV) cada uno.

Performance:

Max Speed: 740 km/h (460 MPH; 400 kt) at 6.400 

Cruise Speed: 500 km/h (311 MPH; 270 kt)

Range: 2.700 km

Service ceiling: 7 998 m (26 240 ft)

Armament

6×Oerlikon 20 mm

1x 250 kg bomb 

10x Rockets under the wings

Morane Saulnier 760 Paris (5.7)

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General Characteristics:

Crew: 2

Length: 10,22 m

Wingspan: 10,15 m

height: 2,6 m

Wing surface: 18 m²

Empty weight: 1945 kg

loaded weight: 3500 kg

Powerplant: 2× Turbomeca Marbore II

Power: 400kg of thrust each

Performance:

Max Speed: 650 km/h over sea level 

Range: 2.700 km

Service ceiling: 11000 m (26 240 ft)

Climbrate 11.50 m/s

Armament:

x4 7.62 Mgs in wing pods

x6 Matra T.10 Rockets 

x6 50Kg or x2/4 100kg bombs 

 

F4U-5/5N/5NL (6.0)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 12.50 meters

length 10.85 meters

height 4.50 meters

surface alar 29.17 m2

Power Plant: A Pratt & Whitney R-2800-32W Double Wasp radial engine of 2300 hp power, Hamilton Standard four-stage metal propeller with variable pitch.
Weight: maximum take-off 5950 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 680 Kph

reach 1,700 km

autonomy 2 hours 30 minutes,

service ceiling 11,200 meters.
Armament: 4 20 mm Browning M2 guns and up to 910 kg of bombs or 127 mm rockets

 

If you ask ¿why there are 3 Different F4U-5s in the tree? the answer is F4U-5 was just the regular Figther, F4U-5N was the night fighter version with radar, and F4U-5NL had reworked fliying surfaces so it would handle better + the radar.

Lancaster B Mk.1 (5.3)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

wingspan 31.09 meters

length 21.18 meters

height 6.10 meters

Wing surface 120.49 m2

Power Plant: 4 linear motors Rolls-Royce Merlin DE 1.640 HP each
Weight: empty 16,738kg, maximum take-off 31,715kg
Performance:

maximum speed 462 Kph at 3,505 meters,

cruise speed 338 Kph at 6,100 meters,

service ceiling 7,468 meters
Armament: 8 7.7mm Vickers machine guns (4 in the tail turret, 2 in the front, 2 in the dorsal) and up to 9,979 kg of bombs, this aircraft will receive the PAT-1 Guided bomb.

Lincoln B Mk.2 (6.0)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

wingspan 36.58 meters

length 23.86 meters

height 5.27 meters

Wing surface 132.01 m2

Power Plant: 4 Rolls-Royce Merlin 85V 1,750 Hp c / u linear motors
Weight: empty 19.686kg, maximum takeoff 37.273kg
Performance:

maximum speed 475 Kph at 5640 m,

cruise Speed 346 Kph at 6,100 m,

service ceiling 9,245 m,

ascent speed 245 m / min (4m/s)
Armament: 2 Hispano Mk.V cannons and 4 12.7 Mgs in doble turrets and up to 9,979 kg of bombs

AX-02 (5.3)

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This was the Pre series/Prototype of the Ia.58A, it was equipped with less powered American engines and it has a limited bomb-load compared to is predecesors 

Ia.58A & Ia.58D (5.7)

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General characteristics
Crew: 2 × pilots.
Length: 14.5 m 
Wingspan: 14.3 m 
Height: 5.4 m 
Wing area: 30.3 m² 
Empty weight: 4,000 kg 
Loaded weight: 6 800 kg 
Maximum takeoff weight: 6,800 kg 
Power plant: 2 × Turbomeca Astazou XVI-G turboprop.
Power: 713 kW (956 HP; 969 HP) each.
Internal fuel capacity: 1 300 L
Performance:
Maximum speed (Vno): 580 Kph (358 MPH; 311 kt)

Never Exceded speed: 780 Kph
Cruising speed (Vc): 530 km / h (329 MPH; 286 kt)
Range: 700 km (378 nmi; 435 mi)
Flight ceiling: 10,000 m (32,808 ft)
Climbrate: 18 m / s (3 543 ft / min)
Armament:
Machine guns: 4 × FN-Browning M2-30 of 7.62 mm with 900 ammunition each.
Cannons: 2 × RSA-804 of 20 mm with 270 ammunition each

4 Pylons 2 in the wings and 2 under the fuselage, this could carry a combination of general Purpose Bombs (125kg bombs or 250kg ones), unguided rockets and Martin Pescador Guided Missiles (Bullpups)  rockets and Grenade Launchers or a Mk13 torpedo.(tested) with a max capacity of 1500kg
Rockets: LAU-61 / A containers with 19 × 70 mm FFAR rockets or Matra SNEBS

 

Ia.58D (5.7 or 6.0)

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The D variant was a Modernization of A series, that improved the avionics and more modern instruments,This could Give the players more modern armament options and a little performance boost (little)

 

Ia.66 (6.3)

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General characteristics
Crew: 2 × pilots.
Length: 14.5 m 
Wingspan: 14.3 m 
Height: 5.4 m 
Wing area: 30.3 m² 
Empty weight: 4,000 kg 
Loaded weight: 6 800 kg 
Maximum takeoff weight: 6,800 kg 
Power plant: 2 × Turbomeca Astazou XVI-G turboprop.
Power: 713 kW (956 HP; 969 HP) each.
Internal fuel capacity: 1 300 L
Performance:
Maximum speed (Vno): 600 Kph (358 MPH; 311 kt)

Never exceded speed: 780 Kph
Cruising speed (Vc): 560 km / h (329 MPH; 286 kt)
Range: 700 km (378 nmi; 435 mi)
Flight ceiling: 10,000 m (32,808 ft)
Climbrate: 20 m / s (3 543 ft / min)
Armament:
Machine guns: 4 × FN-Browning M2-30 of 7.62 mm with 900 ammunition each.
Cannons: 2 × RSA-804 of 20 mm with 270 ammunition each

4 Pylons 2 in the wings and 2 under the fuselage, this could carry a combination of general Purpose Bombs (125kg bombs or 250kg ones), unguided rockets and Grenade Launchers, max capacity of 1500kg
Rockets: LAU-61 / A containers with 19 × 70 mm FFAR rockets or Matra SNEBS

 

Rank V:

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I.Ae.27 (6.3)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 11.3 meters

length 9.7 meters

height 3.96 meters

Wing surface 19.8 m2

Power Plant: x1 Rolls-Royce Derwent V Turbojet
Weight: empty 2358 kg, maximum take-off 3600 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 720 Kph

cruising speed 600 Kph

service ceiling 15,500 meters,
Armament: 

x2 or x4 20mm Hispano-Suiza Mk.5 cannons (planned)

 

Meteor Mk.III (7.0)

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Bought by argentina, used only the Uk with argentine serials (from I-007 to I-012)

already in game 

Meteor Mk.iV (8.0) (I, C and Hybrid)

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We will have 3 versions of the Mk.IV, a pure interceptor "I", a fighter bomber "C" Indicated on the serial of the aircraft and lastly a lower BR Hybrid version.

Initially the Glosters lacked in terms of externally mounted armament (only bombs as far as im concerned)

The later units made use of rockets and bombs while changing the livery for a more proper camo of the time.

Lastly the Hybrid is a case that affected only a few Of the Mk.IVs, where their wings were replaced with Mk.III wings (similar to the example thats already in game in 7.7)

 

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 11.3 meters

length 12.49 meters

height 3.96 meters

Wing surface 34.7 m2

Power Plant: 2 Rolls-Royce Derwent V Turbojet
Weight: empty 5,088 kg, maximum take-off 8,000 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 940 Kph

cruising speed 800 Kph

landing speed 200 Kph

service ceiling 14,150 meters,

climbrate: 31 m/s
Armament: 4 guns of 20 mm Hispano-Suiza + T-10 Rockets and bombs (C variant only)

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I.Ae.33 (8.3)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan: 10.60 meters

length: 11.68 meters

height: 3.50 meters

Wing surface: 25.10 m2

Power Plant: A Rolls-Royce Nene II turbojet with 2267 kg of thrust
Weight: empty 3,600 kg, maximum take-off 5,550 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 1080 Kph

cruise speed 960 Kph

Range 2030 km

service ceiling 13,500 meters
armament: 4 20mm Hispano-Suiza MK5 guns

 

MB.326 (7.7)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

wingspan with the fuel tanks on the wingtips: 10.85 meters,

length 10.67 meters,

height 3.72 meters,

Wing surface area 19.35 m2

Power Plant: A Rolls-Royce Viper 20 MK.540 turbojet with 1547 kg of thrust
Weights: empty 2,685 kg, maximum take-off 5,216 kg (with armament)
Performance:

maximum speed 867 Kph

Range 1,850 km

Climb speed with armament, 945 m / min (15.75 m/s)

service ceiling (clean) 14,325 mts
Armament: up to 1,814 kg of weapons suspended in 6 sub-wing supports. In the Argentine Navy, pods with 12.7 mm machine guns or rocket pods LAU-10 / LAU-32 / MATRA 122 / LACO 19 rockets or MK.81 / MK.82 / AN M30 bombs / SAMPT + Martin pescador Guided missiles

MB.339 (8.0)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

wingspan with the fuel tanks on the wingtips 10.86 meters

length 10.97 meters

height 3.99 meters

surface alar 19.30 m2

Power Plant: A Piaggio / Rolls-Royce Viper 632-43 turbojet of 1812 kg of thrust
Weights: empty 3,215 kg, maximum take-off 5,895 kg (with armament)
Performance:

maximum speed 971 Kph

range 2,110 km

Climb rate: 33.5 mts / sec

service ceiling (clean) 14,630 mts
Armament: up to 1,814 kg of weapons suspended in 6 sub-wing supports.

F9F-2B (8.3)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 11.60 meters

length 11.30 meters

height 3.80 meters

Wing surface area 23 m2

Power Plant: 1 Pratt & Whitney J42-P-6 / -8 turbojet with 26.5 KN thrust
Weight: empty 4,220 kg, maximum take-off 7,462 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 925 Kph

reach 2,100 km

service ceiling 13,600 meters,

climbing speed 26.1 m/s
Armament: 4 M2 20 mm guns with 190 shots per Gun and up to 907 kg of bombs in sub-wing supports or 127 mm rockets

Canberra Mk.2 & T.4 (7.7)

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2 versions of the canberra a regular Mk.2 (we have in game) and a T.4, even that is a trainer version of the other aircraft, it saw combat and it can be armed with the same armament the regular one carried.

The main difference is the plexiglass nose

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

wingspan 19.50 meters

length 19.65 meters

height 4.77 meters

Wing surface 89.19 m2

Power Plant: 2 Rolls-Royce Avon 101 MK.1 turbojet with 5900 kg of thrust each
Weight: empty 10,485 kg, maximum take-off 21,790 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 925 Kph at 10,500 meters,

maximum at sea level 830 Kph

service ceiling 14,000 meters
Armament: up to 3,630 kg of bombs + Matra SNEBs rocket pods under the wings

Ia.58C (7.7 or 8.0)

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This was an upgrade to the regular Ia.58A where the second seat was removed, a 30mm cannon was fitted and it also received Martin pescador missiles (Bullpups) and Matra Magic 550s performance go this plane should be similar to the regular Ia.58

 

Rank VI:

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F-86 F30/F40 (9.0 & 9.3)

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2 Versions of this aircraft are offered in the TT, Early and late, both are the same aircraft, but, the late one has access to Shafrir 2 missiles and a different camo.

 

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 11.3 meters

length 11.4 meters

height 4.5 meters

Wing surface 29.11 m2

Power Plant: A General Electric J47-GE-27 turbojet of 2685 kg of thrust (26.3 KN)
Weight: empty 5,046 kg, maximum take-off 8,234 kg, JP-4 fuel, 1650 liters and externally, two tanks with a total of 760 additional liters
Performance:

maximum speed 1106 km / h at 6446 m altitude

Range 2454 km

service ceiling 15,100 meters 

Climb rate 45.72 m / sec
Armament: 5 12.7 mm Browning M2 machine guns with 1602 shots in total and up to 2400 kg of bombs or rockets + 2 Shafrir air-air Missiles (late version only)

 

A-4P(B) & A-4C (8.0, 8.3 & 9.3)

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Here we have 2 Aircraft, an Attacker and a Fighter-bomber, the A-4P(B) differs from the A-4B in game since it doesn't have missiles, gun-pods and its bombs may differ from the one game, in the other hand the A-4C has a more powerful engine, has 5 hardpoints instead of 3 and gets access to a wide variety of missiles (thing that the American C variant didn't had).

A-4P(B) (early and late):

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 8.38 meters

length 12.01 meters

height 4.57 meters

Power Plant: A Wright J65-W-16 turbojet 
Weight: empty 4,148 kg

maximum take-off 10,205 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 1052 km / h,

service ceiling 8,750 mts,

ascent speed 9.65 mts / sec
Armament: 2 guns of 20 mm MK.12 with 100 projectiles each and up to 2724 kg of weapons in 3 supports, two in the wings and one ventral, could carry bombs and rockets.

 

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 8.38 meters

length 12.01 meters

height 4.57 meters

Power Plant: A Wright J65-W-20 turbojet of 34.7 KN 
Weight: empty 4,148 kg

maximum take-off 10,205 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 1052 km / h,

range 1,916 km

service ceiling 8,750 mts,
Armament: 2 guns of 20 mm MK.12 with 100 projectiles each (this could be replaced with 30mm DEFAs) and up to 2724 kg of weapons in 3 supports, two in the wings and one ventral, could carry bombs and rockets

A-4C:

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 8.38 meters

length 12.22 meters

height 4.57 meters

Power Plant: A Wright J65-W-20 turbojet of 34.7 KN
Weight: empty 4457 kg

maximum take-off 10251 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 1052 km / h,

service ceiling 13900 m

ascent speed 9.65 mts / sec
Armament: 2 guns of 20 mm MK.12 with 100 projectiles each (this could be replaced with 30mm DEFAs) and up to 2724 kg of weapons in 5 supports, 4 in the wings and one ventral, could carry bombs MK.76, MK.77, MK.81, MK.82, MK.83, MK70, MK86,FAS-125,130,250 and 500kg argentine made, launches LACO 7, LACO 9, LAU-10A, LAU-68/131, LAU-69A rockets, AIM-9 Sidewinder or Shafrir air-to-air missiles and Matra magic R550s

Countermeasures: RWR and flares (flares not confirmed)

 

 

F9F-8T (8.3)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 11.60 meters

length 13.54 meters

height 3.73 meters

Power Plant: 1 Pratt & Whitney J48-P8C turbojet with 3288 kg of thrust
Weights: empty 5,805 kg, maximum take-off 9,340 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 1296 Kph

maximum range 1,950 km 

service ceiling 13,100 meters.
Armament: 2 MK16 20 mm guns with 190 shots per Gun and up to 907 kg of bombs on sub-wing supports or 127 mm HVAR rockets

A-4Q Skyhawk (8.7) 

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan 8.38 meters 

length 12.01 meters 

height 4.57 meters

Power Plant: A Wright J65-W-20 turbojet of 34.7 KN
Weight: empty 4,600 kg, maximum take-off 10,200 kg
Performance:

maximum speed 1052 Kph,

range 1,916 km

service ceiling 8,750 mts,

Climb Rate: 9.65 mts / sec
Armament: 2 guns of 20 mm MK.12 with 100 projectiles each and up to 2724 kg of weapons in 3 supports, two wings and one ventral, could carry bombs MK.76, MK.77, MK.81, MK.82, MK.83, MK70, MK86, launches LACO 7, LACO 9, LAU-10A, LAU-68/131, LAU-69A rockets, AIM-9B Sidewinder air-to-air missiles

A-4E Ayit (9.0)

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Speclist pending.

Super Etendard (10.0)

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General characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan: 9.60m

Length: 14.31m.

Height: 3.85 m.

Weight: empty 6,300 kg, maximum 11,900 kg.

Crew: one

Armament: 2 30 mm DEFA 552A cannons, 2 Matra R550 Magic missiles, 5 hardpoints for bombs or rockets

Engine: 1 Snecma Atar 8K-50 turbojet of 4,700 kg. of thrust.

Maximum speed: 1,180 km / h.

Climbrate:100 m/s

Autonomy: 2,000 kms

Ia.63 Pampa I (8.0)

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General Characteristics:

Crew: 2

Dimensions:

Length: 10.93 m 

Wingspan: 9.69 m 

Height: 4.29 m

Wing area: 15.63 m2 

Empty weight: 2,821 kg 

Max takeoff weight: 5,000 kg 

Powerplant: Garrett TFE731-2-2N 

Maximum speed: 819 km/h at 7,000 m 

Cruise speed: 747 km/h 4,000 m 

Range: 1,500 km 

Service ceiling: 12,900 m

Rate of climb: 30.2 m/s 

Armament

Guns: 1× 30 mm (1.18 in) Defa-Giat 554 with 145 rounds of ammo.

5 Hardpoint for a combination of Bombs Rockets and Mg pods

Ia.63 Pampa II (II-40) (8.3)

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General Characteristics:

Crew: 2

Dimensions:

Length: 10.93 m 

Wingspan: 9.69 m 

Height: 4.29 m

Wing area: 15.63 m2 

Empty weight: 2,821 kg 

Max takeoff weight: 5,000 kg 

Powerplant: 1 × Honeywell TFE731-40-2N turbofan engine,19,7 kN (3,500 lbf) thrust

Performance:

Never exceded speed: 1000 km/h 

Cruise speed: 780 km/h 4,000 m 

Range: 1,500 km 

Service ceiling: 12,900 m

Armament

Guns: 1× 30 mm (1.18 in) Defa-Giat 554 with 145 rounds of ammo.

5 Hardpoint for a combination of Bombs Rockets and Mg pods

A-4AR (10.0)

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General Characteristics:

Crew: 1

Dimensions: 

Length: 12,8 m

Height: 4,7 m

Wingspan: 8,2 m

Wing Surface: 79,2 m²

Weight:

Empty: 4717 Kg

Loaded Weight: 6396 Kg

Max Takeoff : 11113 Kg

Powerplant: x1Pratt & Whitney J52-P408A.

Power: 49,8 kN

Performance:

Never Exceded Speed: 1150 Km/h

Cruise speed: 950 Km/h

Range: 3220 Km

Service Ceiling: 12880 m

Climbrate: 42 m/s

Armament:

Cannons: x2 20mm Colt Mk.12 (200 RPG)

5 hardpoints (4170 Kg max) for a combination of:

Bombs: BK-BR PG 125 kg, BK-BR PG 250 kg, Mark 81, Mark 82, Mark 83, Mark 84 + parachute xxxx bombs 

Missiles: 2 AIM-9L/M 

Countermeasures: RWR, Chaff and Flares 

 

Rank VII

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Mirage IIICJ "Shahak"

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General characteristics

Crew: 1

Length: 15.03 m (49 ft 4 in)

Wingspan: 8.22 m (27 ft 0 in)

Height: 4.5 m (14 ft 9 in)

Wing area: 34.85 m2 (375.1 sq ft)

Empty weight: 7,050 kg (15,543 lb)

Gross weight: 9,600 kg (21,164 lb)

Max takeoff weight: 13,700 kg (30,203 lb)

Powerplant: 1 × SNECMA Atar 09C afterburning turbojet engine, 41.97 kN (9,440 lbf) thrust dry, 60.8 kN (13,700 lbf) with afterburner

Performance

Maximum speed: 2,350 km/h (1,460 mph, 1,270 kn) at 12,000 m (39,000 ft)

Maximum speed: Mach 2.2

Combat range: 1,200 km (750 mi, 650 nmi)

Ferry range: 3,335 km (2,072 mi, 1,801 nmi)

Service ceiling: 17,000 m (56,000 ft)

Rate of climb: 83 m/s (16,400 ft/min)

Armament

Guns: 2× 30 mm (1.181 in) DEFA 552 cannon with 125 rounds per gun

Missiles:

2× Shafrir 2 AAMs

2x Matra R.550 Magic AAMs + 1× Matra R.530 AAM

Bombs: 4,000 kg (8,800 lb) of payload on five external hardpoints

Avionics

Thomson-CSF Cyrano II radar; Marconi continuous-wave Doppler navigation radar

Mirage IIIEA and Modification(10.7 or 11.0)

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General characteristics

Crew: 1

Length: 15.03 m (49 ft 4 in)

Wingspan: 8.22 m (27 ft 0 in)

Height: 4.5 m (14 ft 9 in)

Wing area: 34.85 m2 (375.1 sq ft)

Empty weight: 7,050 kg (15,543 lb)

Gross weight: 9,600 kg (21,164 lb)

Max takeoff weight: 13,700 kg (30,203 lb)

Powerplant: 1 × SNECMA Atar 09C afterburning turbojet engine, 41.97 kN (9,440 lbf) thrust dry, 60.8 kN (13,700 lbf) with afterburner

Performance

Maximum speed: 2,350 km/h (1,460 mph, 1,270 kn) at 12,000 m (39,000 ft)

Maximum speed: Mach 2.2

Combat range: 1,200 km (750 mi, 650 nmi)

Ferry range: 3,335 km (2,072 mi, 1,801 nmi)

Service ceiling: 17,000 m (56,000 ft)

Rate of climb: 83 m/s (16,400 ft/min)

Armament

Guns: 2× 30 mm (1.181 in) DEFA 552 cannon with 125 rounds per gun

Missiles:

2x Matra R.550 Magic AAMs + 1× Matra R.530 AAM

Bombs: 4,000 kg (8,800 lb) of payload on five external hardpoints

Rockets: Snebs, Hydras, Etc

Avionics

Thomson-CSF Cyrano II radar; Marconi continuous-wave Doppler navigation radar

 

MIIIEA "mod"

A Later modification will fit AIM-9Ms on this aircraft, this will be a different aircraft since it will increase the Br drastically for the Mirage III

Super Etendard Modernise (10.3 or 10.7)

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An upgraded version of the Super Etendard, improving its radar, receiving RWR and giving it flares.

Most of its armament is the same that its predecesor used (there might be some exceptions) + RWR and Flares 

M-5 Dagger & Finger (ex-Nesher) (10.3 & 10.7)

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General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Wingspan: 8.22 meters

Length: 15.55 meters

Height: 4.25 meters

Wing Surface: 46.08 m2

Power Plant: a SNECMA Atar 9C-5 turbojet with 6400 kg of thrust with afterburner (60.8KN)
Weight: empty 6,570 kg, maximum take-off 13,500 kg
Performance:

maximum speed Mach 2.1 (2,350 km / h),

cruising speed 955 km / h,

maximum range 4,000 km,

service ceiling 17,000 meters.
Armament: 2 30 mm DEFA guns, 2 Shafrir Missiles or up to 4200 kg of weapons in 6 underwing pylons

 

An upgraded M5 to the "Finger standard" included a nosecone from the Kfir to admit more modern systems (radar,gps,ect and AIM-9L)

Mirage VP & VP Mara (10.7)

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Mirage VP on the left and VP Mara 

This aircraft had simmilar performance, but the difference is that the Mara was an upgraded version of the VP (including Flares and other sensors)

General Characteristics:

Dimensions:

Length: 8,22 m

Wingspan: 8,22 m

Height: 4,5 m

Wing surface: 35 m

Empty weight: 7150 Kg

Max Take off Weight 13700 Kg

PowerPlant: 1SNECMA Atar 9C de 60,80 KN with afterBurner or 41.97KN Without it

Performance:

Max speed: 2350 Km/h (Mach 2.2) at 12000 m 

Cruise speed: 956 Km/h

Max Range: 4000 Km

Service Ceiling: 18000 m

Climbrate: 186 m/s

Armament: 2x 30mm DEFA 552, up to 4000 Kg of suspended armament in 5 hard points (bombs, rockets and missiles)

Countermeasures: Flares and RWR ( RWR Mara only)

 

 

 

Premium & Event Aircraft:

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Rank I

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JRF Goose: Event (1.0)

FMA.21 Premium (1.3)

Dornier J wal Event (1.0)

Supermarine Southampton Gift (1.0)

PBY-5A Catalina Premium (1.7)

Martin 139 WAN Premium 1.3

Martin 139 WAN (H) Event 1.3

Uruguayan O2SU-3 Premium/gift 1.0

J2F-5 Duck Premium/Gift 1.3

 

Rank II

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Hurricane IID (164 Squadron "Firmes Volamos")(2.0) Premium

Hurricane IV (164 Squadron "Firmes Volamos") (2.0) Premium

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H-75H (2.0/2.3) Premium

Rank III

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Spitfire VA (164 Squadron "Firmes Volamos") Event

Spitfire VB (164 Squadron "Firmes Volamos") Premium

Already in game

T-28S Uruguayan Air Force (donated by argentina) Premium (3.7)

Uruguayan S-2 Tracker (4.7) Premium

Rank IV

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B-24 "El RompeCulos" Premium (5.7)

Ia.58 Sri lankan Air Force Event (5.7)

Ia.58 Colombian Air force Event (5.7)

Ia.58A Pre-Serie Event/Premium (5.7)

Ia.58 Uruguayan Air Force Premium (5.7)

Ia.58B Premium (6.0)

C-130 T-68 Premium/ Event (5.7)

FMA/M.S 760 Paris (late)  Premium/Event  (6.0)

Uruguayan F-51D Premium (4.3/5.0)

Rank V

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AT-26 Xavante Premium (7.7)

Canberra Mk.2 "Pelicano" Premium (7.7)

F-86 "Cruz del sur" Premium (8.7)

I.Ae.33 Prototype Premium (8.3)

Uruguayan T-33 Squadron Vehicle (7.0)

Uruguayan F-80C Premium (7.7)

Rank VI

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Pampa 2000 Premium/event (8.3)

A-4P(B) "Tordillo" Event (8.3)

A-37 (Fuerza Aérea Uruguaya/Uruguayan Air Force) Premium (8.3)

 

 

 

Sources:

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https://www.ecured.cu/FMA_IA-58_Pucará

http://fdra-aereo.blogspot.com/2014/06/ficha-tecnica-modificaciones-al-ia-58.html

http://www.amilarg.com.ar/indice.html

http://www.histarmar.com.ar/Armada Argentina/AviacionNaval/Listaer51-80.htm

FMA Crónicas y testimonios 

ARES Magazine

AeroEspacio Magazine

A Deep analisys, Copied or not?

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Just by looking at the tree (researchable only) we can spot some stuff we can describe As copied and pasted vehicles, sure, lets do a very in depth look. (Copied planes= exact same planes that are already in another nation TT)

 

Rank I = 2 Copied planes of 22 (hawk III, B10B)

 

Rank II = 2 Copied planes out of 10 (PBM-5 & Sm.79B)

 

Rank III = 1 Copied Vehicle out of 14 (G.55A), the Spitfire Mk.Viii is not in game

 

Rank IV = 2 Copied Vehicles out of 11 (Lancaster B Mk.1 (receives anti ship guided bomb) and Lincoln B Mk.2) There is no F4U-5 in game

 

Rank V =  5 Copied Vehicles out of 11 (Meteor Mk.III & IV, F9F-2B, Canberra Mk.2 ),

 

Rank VI = 5 Copied vehicles out of 12 (all A-4 Skyhawks, the B and C recieve the Halcon upgrade as a modification to replace the colt 20mm for 30mm DEFAs), the cougar is a different version to the one in the American tree (it cant carry missiles and it doesn't have the same cannons)

 

Rank VII = 3 Copied aircraft out of 8 (Argentine modified Mirages and Mirage Vs are not taken into account, as they are not in the game)

 

As we can see the total number of Copied vehicles is 20 out of 88 regular planes. I know that the remaining Us/or other nation aircraft aircraft like the F4U-5, the F9F-8T or the MB326/339 could come to the game, the tree will still having a unique majority

 

Criteria (Air forces):

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When it comes to Aircraft, things become a bit more conditioned and complicated, Why? lets start:

• Aircraft used and adopted by the Argentine Air Force (Examples: A-4, Mirage, Pucara, etc)
• Aircraft used by the neighboring nations of Uruguay/Paraguay (Premiums, Examples: F6F, T-33, etc)
• Aircraft received by argentina as donations by foreign nations (Examples: Spitfire, Hurricane, etc)
• Prototypes Finished/Partially finished (Must flew) (Examples: Pulqui Series, Pucara Charlie, Ñancu, etc)
• Aircraft bought by Argentina but never arrived to the country: This is a tricky one, 2/3 examples can be found, Meteors Mk.IIIs bought and flew under argentine Serials, never left Britain, Israeli A-4Hs bought by the Argentine Navy, prepared and painted in Argentine colors, equipment arrived to argentina but the aircraft didn't, Same scenario with Later versions of British Canberras. (all examples wore argentine livery)
• Experimental (and non experimental) Armament used and tested by aircraft (Examples: PAT-1 bomb, AAMs, etc)
• Aircraft used by the Argentine-British squadron in WW2 + Aircraft used by argentine volunteers in the RAF (Premiums only, Examples: Spitfire, Hurricane, B-24, etc)

 

 

 

 

Edited August 4, 2021 by OsO73
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Open for discussion. 

[AspandaIV 375]

There's some aircraft that seems to be missing

IA-63 "Pampa": It's an indigenous subsonic jet attack & trainer aircraft from the 1980's (comparable to the Franco-German Alpha Jet) that is equipped with a DEFA cannon gunpod mounted in the central hardpoint as well as some additional gunpods on the inner wing hardpoints. It has a total of five hardpoints (4 on the wings and one central) that can equip unguided rockets and bombs
 

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Morane-Saulnier MS.760 Paris: This is a trainer aircraft of French origin which, it is equipped with 2 mg's in the nose as well as some small bombs and rockets on the wings, Some MS.760's were built in Argentina by FMA under license and it saw combat in the 1963 Argentine navy revolt
 

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There is also some missing prototype aircraft (I.Ae 27 "Pulqui I, I.Ae 30 Nancu, IA-58 prototype variants [AX-02 "Delfin", AX-04, IA-66], I.Ae 28 "Super Calquin" [ though this specific vehicle only had a mockup built]) but i'm going to guess you are reserving those aircraft for the premium line

Otherwise +1 

[OsO73 491]

8 hours ago, leroyonly said:

Open for discussion. 

Thank you !!

Edited February 28, 2020 by OsO73

[OsO73 491]

17 hours ago, AspandaIV said:

There's some aircraft that seems to be missing

IA-63 "Pampa": It's an indigenous subsonic jet attack & trainer aircraft from the 1980's (comparable to the Franco-German Alpha Jet) that is equipped with a DEFA cannon gunpod mounted in the central hardpoint as well as some additional gunpods on the inner wing hardpoints. It has a total of five hardpoints (4 on the wings and one central) that can equip unguided rockets and bombs
 

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Morane-Saulnier MS.760 Paris: This is a trainer aircraft of French origin which, it is equipped with 2 mg's in the nose as well as some small bombs and rockets on the wings, Some MS.760's were built in Argentina by FMA under license and it saw combat in the 1963 Argentine navy revolt
 

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There is also some missing prototype aircraft (I.Ae 27 "Pulqui I, I.Ae 30 Nancu, IA-58 prototype variants [AX-02 "Delfin", AX-04, IA-66], I.Ae 28 "Super Calquin" [ though this specific vehicle only had a mockup built]) but i'm going to guess you are reserving those aircraft for the premium line

Otherwise +1 

I had those planes in mind when making the tree, and the reason to add them is that they will be quite hard to fit, the Morane Sauliner it’s only armed with 2 7.62s and flight performance is what you expect out of a training aircraft, maybe for an event but wasn’t top priority. An as for the pampa we could say the same, it could go after the pucara but is something that it will be hard to balance. As for the pulque it never had guns mounted on it  the ñancu suffers the same ( some sources stated that it didn't have armament mounted on it)

Edited February 29, 2020 by OsO73

[OsO73 491]

Update

The Following Aircraft Will recieve Shafrir missiles, A-4B & C, Mirage III, M.5 Dagger and F-86(F-30-F40)(tested)

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All the pucaras and Canberra Mk.2 receive Matra SNEBs as Modification

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Mb.326 will receive the Martin Pescador guided missile (Bullpup) (x2) as a modification

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Edited February 29, 2020 by OsO73

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

Well, there's more indigenous designs here than on the Chinese tree, so that's a start.  Wonder what'll be done for ground and naval forces though...

 

inb4 Falklands map.

 

 

EDIT: On the G.59, the one G.59-2A Argentina had received for evaluation would've been a single-seat fighter likely armed with four 20 mm Hispanos (probably short-barreled British Mk.Vs from what I could see from photos), as that was the standard armament for that particular variant.  Since they only had one, it's a decent premium aircraft candidate.

Edited February 29, 2020 by Z3r0_

[OsO73 491]

4 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

 

Well, there's more indigenous designs here than on the Chinese tree, so that's a start.  Wonder what'll be done for ground and naval forces though...

 

Ground is in the works (from my point of view is the most incomplete Tree)

Naval is already done :

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/477557-argentine-naval-tech-tree/&tab=comments#comment-8412739

4 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

 

inb4 Falklands map.

I’ve been thinking and studying (terrain, elevations or just how it will be for tanks, air and sea battles) if a map of the island could be done, as for air and naval yes, since it for the air could be presented like the Norway map, one team from the island and the other from aircraft carriers, naval (for boats it will look like fuego islands) could also be inspired in the ww1 battle between Germany and the Uk or the battle of river Plate (not the islands but north), sadly for ground it’s not a very useful or good map, imagine Maginot line with less slopes no trees and occasionally a few rocks for cover 

4 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

 

EDIT: On the G.59, the one G.59-2A Argentina had received for evaluation would've been a single-seat fighter likely armed with four 20 mm Hispanos (probably short-barreled British Mk.Vs from what I could see from photos), as that was the standard armament for that particular variant.  Since they only had one, it's a decent premium aircraft candidate.

Edited 3 hours ago by Z3r0_

If the G-59 was armed it could help filling the space in Rank IV that one of the Corsairs have (and have all Corsair together) information on both Argentine G55s and the G59 is pretty scarce But I would like to see it 

[Kasukaru 2,164]

I wouldn't mind seeing this tech tree added, but only as part of an international tech tree or a "Latin America" tech tree. So +1 (under conditions).

[OsO73 491]

7 hours ago, Kasukaru said:

I wouldn't mind seeing this tech tree added, but only as part of an international tech tree or a "Latin America" tech tree. So +1 (under conditions).

I've been seeing what the other latin american countries could add to a mixed air TT, the overall result is just not worth it, Brazilian P-47s & B-17s, Chilean Hunters, Salvador P-51s, Honduras F-86s, Venezuelan F-86Ks and more. i dont want another TT like china, in this case argentina can deliver at least more unique designs and an overall better amount of planes for some line ups (1.0+ reserve, 1.3, 2.3, 4.7, 5.7 and almost all top tier , thats more than the Swedish TT we have today), the tree has more unique fighters than china and most of the copied planes receive great modifications (sabre`s Shafir missiles, lancaster guided bomb, canberra snebs, meteor with bombs, etc). its completely worth it to have one of the most complete latin american nations in game, excusing the lack of fighters in some BRs (like sweden)  

[AspandaIV 375]

17 hours ago, Kasukaru said:

I wouldn't mind seeing this tech tree added, but only as part of an international tech tree or a "Latin America" tech tree. So +1 (under conditions).

 

9 hours ago, OsO73 said:

I've been seeing what the other latin american countries could add to a mixed air TT, the overall result is just not worth it, Brazilian P-47s & B-17s, Chilean Hunters, Salvador P-51s, Honduras F-86s, Venezuelan F-86Ks and more. i dont want another TT like china, in this case argentina can deliver at least more unique designs and an overall better amount of planes for some line ups (1.0+ reserve, 1.3, 2.3, 4.7, 5.7 and almost all top tier , thats more than the Swedish TT we have today), the tree has more unique fighters than china and most of the copied planes receive great modifications (sabre`s Shafir missiles, lancaster guided bomb, canberra snebs, meteor with bombs, etc). its completely worth it to have one of the most complete latin american nations in game, excusing the lack of fighters in some BRs (like sweden)  

 

Well, it depends on which Latin American you are referring to and what vehicles, for example Peru operated a couple obscure US (NA-50 [P-64]) and Italian (Ca.114) fighters that can be added in Tier II & I, Brazil operates the EMB 312 & 314 "Tucanoes" as well as the Italo-Brazilian AMX (A-1M), and like Peru, Brazil used some obscure US aircraft (this time it's the Boeing P-12/F4B & Curtiss Falcon). Also the vast majority of Latin American countries operates the AT-33A, a Attacker/COIN variant of the T-33 Shooting star (The US never operated this variant).

However you are still right about being copy n paste if you add more Latin American countries into the TT though the biggest problem i found is actually Latin American countries use a lot of the same vehicles as each other or use similar variants of the same base vehicle. For example both Argentina and Peru used O2U Corsairs (V-80) and both used F11C Goshawks, Argentina and Brazil uses the AT-26 Xavante (MB-326), a lot of Latin American countries used at least one variant of the P/F-51 Mustang, P-47 Thunderbolt, F-5 Freedom Fighter/Tiger and/or the Mirage family of Jet Fighters/Attackers which includes the Israeli (IAI Nesher/Dagger & Kifir) and South African (Atlas Cheetah) aircraft that are based on the Mirage family.

[OsO73 491]

1 hour ago, AspandaIV said:

 

 

Well, it depends on which Latin American you are referring to and what vehicles, for example Peru operated a couple obscure US (NA-50 [P-64]) and Italian (Ca.114) fighters that can be added in Tier II & I, Brazil operates the EMB 312 & 314 "Tucanoes" as well as the Italo-Brazilian AMX (A-1M), and like Peru, Brazil used some obscure US aircraft (this time it's the Boeing P-12/F4B & Curtiss Falcon). Also the vast majority of Latin American countries operates the AT-33A, a Attacker/COIN variant of the T-33 Shooting star (The US never operated this variant).

However you are still right about being copy n paste if you add more Latin American countries into the TT though the biggest problem i found is actually Latin American countries use a lot of the same vehicles as each other or use similar variants of the same base vehicle. For example both Argentina and Peru used O2U Corsairs (V-80) and both used F11C Goshawks, Argentina and Brazil uses the AT-26 Xavante (MB-326), a lot of Latin American countries used at least one variant of the P/F-51 Mustang, P-47 Thunderbolt, F-5 Freedom Fighter/Tiger and/or the Mirage family of Jet Fighters/Attackers which includes the Israeli (IAI Nesher/Dagger & Kifir) and South African (Atlas Cheetah) aircraft that are based on the Mirage family.

My main deal with the other latin american nations, is that they made almost none unique aircraft, sure Brazil has the tucanoes (argentina too) a maybe the AMX and some early fighters for tier I and II, thats it, no other aircraft. If a Tech tree of this other nations is made, it would be like china, since all the nations mentioned used american/British/french aircraft (p40s,p51s, mirages, Lancasters, B-17s, B25s), the only one that produced their own aircraft in a considerable number is Argentina, and if they had foreign aircraft they made their own modifications and had their own developed armament. as it today argentina in this TT has 10 unique to them planes, and there are more that could be added. (think about it, argentina could have around 15/16 (im gathering info about some)unique aircraft, perú chile and brazil combined have less than that)

 

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In my opinion the only way for the other nations to be added is to have complete complementary trees, like argentina has a great naval tree, an ok air tree and a poor ground(ground is in the works), in the case of brazil it would be a poor air tree, a good ground tree and an ok naval.

Edited March 2, 2020 by OsO73

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

On 01/03/2020 at 20:55, OsO73 said:

My main deal with the other latin american nations, is that they made almost none unique aircraft, sure Brazil has the tucanoes (argentina too) a maybe the AMX and some early fighters for tier I and II, thats it, no other aircraft. If a Tech tree of this other nations is made, it would be like china, since all the nations mentioned used american/British/french aircraft (p40s,p51s, mirages, Lancasters, B-17s, B25s), the only one that produced their own aircraft in a considerable number is Argentina, and if they had foreign aircraft they made their own modifications and had their own developed armament. as it today argentina in this TT has 10 unique to them planes, and there are more that could be added. (think about it, argentina could have around 15/16 (im gathering info about some)unique aircraft, perú chile and brazil combined have less than that)

 

EDIT:

In my opinion the only way for the other nations to be added is to have complete complementary trees, like argentina has a great naval tree, an ok air tree and a poor ground(ground is in the works), in the case of brazil it would be a poor air tree, a good ground tree and an ok naval.

 

That...actually isn't a bad idea, having Argentina, Brazil, Peru, and Chile all part of the same tree to reduce the amount of copy+paste.

 

On 29/02/2020 at 06:24, OsO73 said:

Ground is in the works (from my point of view is the most incomplete Tree)

Naval is already done :

https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/477557-argentine-naval-tech-tree/&tab=comments#comment-8412739

I’ve been thinking and studying (terrain, elevations or just how it will be for tanks, air and sea battles) if a map of the island could be done, as for air and naval yes, since it for the air could be presented like the Norway map, one team from the island and the other from aircraft carriers, naval (for boats it will look like fuego islands) could also be inspired in the ww1 battle between Germany and the Uk or the battle of river Plate (not the islands but north), sadly for ground it’s not a very useful or good map, imagine Maginot line with less slopes no trees and occasionally a few rocks for cover 

If the G-59 was armed it could help filling the space in Rank IV that one of the Corsairs have (and have all Corsair together) information on both Argentine G55s and the G59 is pretty scarce But I would like to see it 

 

Another hypothetical (alternate history) scenario that could work for an air battle would be simulating if Captain Langsdorff had opted to try and make a break for Buenos Aires (due to damage to the fuel system, galley, desalination plant, and bow, returning to Germany is all but impossible) under the cover of night.  Upon realizing what the Germans are up to, the Royal Navy diverts the battlecruiser HMS Renown and carrier HMS Ark Royal to the south Atlantic to try and head off the Panzerschiff.  However, a secret agreement had been made in the meantime between the German and Argentinian governments to sell them the vessel in exchange for the safe return of the crew (instead of interning them with the ship).  By the time the Royal Navy had caught up to the Graf Spee the following day (and also scrambled bombers based in the Falklands Islands...which may or may not have been there irl, but it would explain the presence of non-carrierborne aircraft), the ship (along with its escort) is a mere hour from safety.  As the Graf Spee has by now managed to reach Argentinian territorial waters, the Argentine government then mobilizes any available air and naval assets in the area to ensure that what will soon be their brand new Panzerschiff makes it to its destination.

Edited March 3, 2020 by Z3r0_

[OsO73 491]

 3 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

That...actually isn't a bad idea, having Argentina, Brazil, Peru, and Chile all part of the same tree to reduce the amount of copy+paste

Those countries will reduce it, if they had a big number of unique vehicles, something that they lack (with the exception of some ground forces for brazil and  4 or 5 planes)

3 hours ago, Z3r0_ said:

Another hypothetical (alternate history) scenario that could work for an air battle would be simulating if Captain Langsdorff had opted to try and make a break for Buenos Aires (due to damage to the fuel system, galley, desalination plant, and bow, returning the Germany is all but impossible) under the cover of night.  Upon realizing what the Germans are up to, the Royal Navy diverts the battlecruiser HMS Renown and carrier HMS Ark Royal to the south Atlantic to try and head off the Panzerschiff.  However, a secret agreement had been made in the meantime between the German and Argentinian governments to sell them the vessel in exchange for the safe return of the crew (instead of interning them with the ship).  By the time the Royal Navy had caught up to the Graf Spee (and also scrambled bombers based in the Falklands Islands...which may or may not have been there irl, but it would explain the presence of non-carrierborne aircraft).  As the Graf Spee has by now managed to reach Argentinian territorial waters, the Argentine government then mobilizes any available air and naval assets in the area to ensure that what will soon be their brand new Panzerschiff makes it to its destination.

Thats actually a great idea, i was thinking about something more in the Misiones Jungle for helicopters EC, air+Naval EC in the south Atlantic sea or ground or boat battles in the patagonia (we do have Fuego islands witch is based on an argentine province)

Pics

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Misiones Jungle

Patagonia 

[Z3r0_ 4,128]

I could also see the Pampas being used as a basis for a ground forces map.  It's ideal tank country not unlike that seen in central and eastern Europe.  Looking at photos of it from some angles, you'd be forgiven from thinking it was the Fulda Gap.  That does beg the question of WHY one's fighting in the Pampas, which isn't an issue for ABs but for RBs...Cold War shenanigans?

 

As for my Alt History idea, I would suppose that the UK would have access to a respawn point like one sees in World War Mode to allow bombers to safely bail out, rearm, and repair (along with the carrier if they can't make it).  The Argentinians would have a land airfield.  Since the Brits wouldn't have area targets to bomb before taking out their carrier, I would suppose that the Argentinians wouldn't have any either, and either both the airfield and carrier have hugely inflated HP pools or simply don't take any damage (similar to the airfields on Operation Uranus, the winter Stalingrad Air RB map).  The primary objectives would be as follows:

Argentina/Axis:

-Protect the Graf Spee until it reaches safety

-Sink HMS Renown

-Destroy enemy escort ships and bombers flying in from the Falklands Islands

-Establish Air Supremacy

 

UK/Allies:

-Sink the Graf Spee and its escorting destroyers

-Protect HMS Renown from enemy aircraft

-Destroy Argentinian shore-based defenses (likely shore batteries and perhaps an auxiliary airfield or two)

-Establish Air Supremacy

Edited March 3, 2020 by Z3r0_

[OsO73 491]

44 minutes ago, Z3r0_ said:

I could also see the Pampas being used as a basis for a ground forces map.  It's ideal tank country not unlike that seen in central and eastern Europe.  Looking at photos of it from some angles, you'd be forgiven from thinking it was the Fulda Gap.  That does beg the question of WHY one's fighting in the Pampas, which isn't an issue for ABs but for RBs...Cold War shenanigans?

 

As for my Alt History idea, I would suppose that the UK would have access to a respawn point like one sees in World War Mode to allow bombers to safely bail out, rearm, and repair (along with the carrier if they can't make it).  The Argentinians would have a land airfield.  Since the Brits wouldn't have area targets to bomb before taking out their carrier, I would suppose that the Argentinians wouldn't have any either, and either both the airfield and carrier have hugely inflated HP pools or simply don't take any damage (similar to the airfields on Operation Uranus, the winter Stalingrad Air RB map).  The primary objectives would be as follows:

Argentina:

-Protect the Graf Spee until it reaches safety

-Sink HMS Renown

-Destroy enemy escort ships and bombers flying in from the Falklands Islands

-Establish Air Supremacy

 

UK:

-Sink the Graf Spee and its escorting destroyers

-Protect HMS Renown from enemy aircraft

-Destroy Argentinian shore-based defenses (likely shore batteries and perhaps an auxiliary airfield or two)

-Establish Air Supremacy

The Pampas as a new maps really sounds great, event that those places never saw a battle (at least a modern one), the idea of having a good map for ground AB and RB really excuses the lack of any historical justification.

For the battle of River Plate (alt history) it should play as a regular naval EC or restricted to the aircraft that were in service at that time  for both nations ?

i also would like to include a air EC over the Andes mountains, wich would be an interesting idea for high tier jets (even though it will be alt history)

[JanChiellini 19]

If this tree was added to War Thunder or any Latin related nation, I probably wouldn't even touch it at all. Like how I didn't even touch China and Sweden. If another tree was added, I'd expect a European tree to be added (Romania, Poland, Hungary, etc).

A bit offtopic but, personally in my opinion, all these top tier supersonic jets with missiles, helicopters, top tier tanks, etc in the game ruined the game for me. The highest br plane should be 8.0 with the Korean war jets. Also, China and Sweden, I wish they weren't in the game. And that's what I fear, last thing I want in the game is a Middle Eastern tree because by the looks of it, Gaijin seems to focus more on modern s***.

[OsO73 491]

8 hours ago, JanCheIIini said:

If this tree was added to War Thunder or any Latin related nation, I probably wouldn't even touch it at all. Like how I didn't even touch China and Sweden. If another tree was added, I'd expect a European tree to be added (Romania, Poland, Hungary, etc).

A bit offtopic but, personally in my opinion, all these top tier supersonic jets with missiles, helicopters, top tier tanks, etc in the game ruined the game for me. The highest br plane should be 8.0 with the Korean war jets. Also, China and Sweden, I wish they weren't in the game. And that's what I fear, last thing I want in the game is a Middle Eastern tree because by the looks of it, Gaijin seems to focus more on modern s***.

Well, the addition of a new TT like this could be a breath of fresh air for WT, since this one (much like sweden) has quite some unique aircraft and a good number of indigenous modifications. Sure, you can expect Romania, Hungary, or poland but as you might guess (and some of this nations TTs are suggested in the forums) they have a huge amount of copied vehicles, Bf-110s/109s/190s and dont forget the soviet stuff, it wont be another china (since they did had some indigenous desings) but we will see a lot of copied vehicles. As for the modern stuff? the only supersonic planes that can carry missiles are the Mirages, before Rank VI its all 1950s/60s/(early70s (The MBs)) i dont see any problems there.

[OsO73 491]

Update:

The TT was re arranged, the A-4 Skyhawks (B,C and Q) were moved to the Proper BR (8.7) and the F-86 to Rank VI 

The "possible addition" tag, this mean that the aircraft that have this tag have the possibility of being added to the TT

Added 2 planes to "possible additions", The A-4AR and the Turbo Mentor

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[AspandaIV 375]

I looked into the I.Ae 30 some more and i found out that it's armament is 6 Hispano Mk V's (idk the exact rpg) under the nose, as well as 1 250kg bomb under the fuselage and 10 83mm rockets on the wings.

Link to the I.Ae 30's data sheet forum below: 

Also i suggest you add the P2V-5 (Argentina operated 8 P2V-5's) either as the last P-2 to research in the folder or as a Tier IV vehicle separate from the other SP-2's because that particular variant is equipped with 2 forward facing 20mm as well as a twin 20mm tail turret and a twin 50.cal dorsal turret.

[CherryBlossom 4,210]

+1

[OsO73 491]

On 25/03/2020 at 06:57, AspandaIV said:

I looked into the I.Ae 30 some more and i found out that it's armament is 6 Hispano Mk V's (idk the exact rpg) under the nose, as well as 1 250kg bomb under the fuselage and 10 83mm rockets on the wings.

sadly the armament wasn't mounted to the aircraft, so its a no for me 

 

On 25/03/2020 at 06:57, AspandaIV said:

Also i suggest you add the P2V-5 (Argentina operated 8 P2V-5's) either as the last P-2 to research in the folder or as a Tier IV vehicle separate from the other SP-2's because that particular variant is equipped with 2 forward facing 20mm as well as a twin 20mm tail turret and a twin 50.cal dorsal turret.

this ones will be added in a moment.

[AspandaIV 375]

3 hours ago, OsO73 said:

sadly the armament wasn't mounted to the aircraft, so its a no for me 

There's vehicles that were never equipped with it's proposed armament (or even the correct armament in some cases) and yet they are ingame, like the MB.157, the Sea Meteor Mk.3, the SO.8000 Narval, the Ho.229, The E-100, the hidden Flakpanzer 341, the J9N "Kikka".

The main reason why i'm saying this is because A: Argentina doesn't have a lot of native designs around Tier III & IV, B: It would add variety to the TT & C: It could make for a interesting premium or event vehicle

Another thing is Argentina operated two attacker variants of the T-28, the T-28S "Fennec" and the T-28P, the main difference between the two is the T-28P has shorter propeller blades and a tail hook while these are absent on the T-28S and the G.59-A2 (the variant Argentina tested) is equipped with 4 Hispano Mk.V cannons mounted on the wings

[OsO73 491]

Update

We see the addition of New aircraft to the tree, The T-34A mentor, T-34C Turbo mentor and the Ia.63 Pampa for the Regular Tech Tree. As for the Premiums we see the addition of The C130 T-68 bomber.

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34 minutes ago, AspandaIV said:

There's vehicles that were never equipped with it's proposed armament (or even the correct armament in some cases) and yet they are ingame, like the MB.157, the Sea Meteor Mk.3, the SO.8000 Narval, the Ho.229, The E-100, the hidden Flakpanzer 341, the J9N "Kikka".

In that case i guess we could add the ñancu, only if people+gaijin are ok with it

34 minutes ago, AspandaIV said:

The main reason why i'm saying this is because A: Argentina doesn't have a lot of native designs around Tier III & IV, B: It would add variety to the TT & C: It could make for a interesting premium or event vehicle

The addition of it will help in tier IV (same with the G59)

34 minutes ago, AspandaIV said:

Another thing is Argentina operated two attacker variants of the T-28, the T-28S "Fennec" and the T-28P, the main difference between the two is the T-28P has shorter propeller blades and a tail hook while these are absent on the T-28S and the G.59-A2 (the variant Argentina tested) is equipped with 4 Hispano Mk.V cannons mounted on the wings

ill keep an eye in the T-28s so i can add them 

Thanks !

Edited March 27, 2020 by OsO73

[cfracas 1,708]

Every new suggestion for a new nation is always welcomed and is worth consideration.

 

Few notes about G55A and G59:

G55A never had engine cannon, although installation was obviously possible.

MG151 were only imported from Germany so after the war these weapons were not available in Italy.

G55A delivered to Egypt and Syria were armed with 4*12.7mm Breda MGs. I assume these would have been the possible armament for planes delivered to Argentina.

G59 with 4 weapons in wings were all Bredas, they were used in Syria.

I heard there is a mock-up photo of a G59 with 4 cannons, but they were not real cannons (they were meant to be Hispano, but were never installed).