Polish Ground Forces Tech Tree

[NeXeS-PL@psn 270]

KTO ROSOMAK M1M 

 

KTO ROSOMAK M1

Combat vehicle with Hitfist-30P turret (Rosomak) - wheeled infantry fighting vehicle equipped with a two-man turret with ATK Mk 44 cannon for 30 × 173 mm cartridge and UKM-2000C machine gun, 6 ZM Dezamet 902A smoke grenade launchers, 81 mm caliber connected to a self-shielding system SSP-1 OBRA-3 manufactured by Bumar Żołkieta SA The vehicles of this version, used on missions outside the country, had reinforced ballistic armor (Rosomak-M1) and with anti-cumulative missile protection (RPG-7 and similar) QinetiQ RPGNet (Rosomak-M1M) .

+ IV level of protection

-  no water propellers

 

source:  Artykuł (obrum.gliwice.pl)

Edited January 9, 2021 by NeXeS-PL@psn

[NeXeS-PL@psn 270]

BRDM-9A31 with the 9K31 Strzała-1 anti-aircraft missile system.

[_IvalinA_ 88]

6 hours ago, NeXeS-PL@psn said:

9K31 Strzała-1 

 

Or maybe You would like to call it with the correct USSR designation 9К31 Стрела-1 ??

 

The 9K31 complex has nothing to do with the domestic Polish defense industry. It is not an original Polish project.

Was Developed by the USSR under the GRAU designation 9K31, it is commonly known by its NATO reporting name, SA-9 "Gaskin".
It's another USSR vehicle that did serve in polish army... nothing more.

Poland had only nineteen vehicles of this type, due to fact that all of these were worn and dated, these become withdrawn from service in the 1990s.

 

Till You can prove us that the vehicles were developed, manufactured or modernized by the Polish arms industry...

It is very doubtful that it will find its way to the tech tree of Polish nation...

 

 

Edited January 20, 2021 by _IvalinA_

[AkIvonDemolka 352]

Modifications of the A27M Cromwell Mk. IV of the Polish Armed Forces

The basic modification of these tanks was a simple procedure to remove the engine rev limiter. As a result, the maximum speed of the tank increased from 64 km / h to 82/84 km / h (different sources give a different result and memories of Polish tankers). Here, however, it must be mentioned what the hell the speed limiter was used for in the tanks at all. After all, it is better for the tank to go faster. Well, such a limiter was intended to reduce fuel consumption (the higher the engine speed, the disproportionately higher fuel consumption), but also to reduce the wear of shock absorbers, wheels, track links and most importantly: to protect the engine from damage due to excessive revolutions. The Poles knew the risks associated with the conversion, but it is better to be able to speed up when needed than not to have. They knew when they could afford to go faster. The modification was popular not only because of the simplicity of implementation and the fact that no additional parts were required, but also because the command of the tank engines did not look at the engines, so they did not officially know about the modifications, so they could not dry anyone's heads for it. In this way, Shermans were also reworked many times, and we can guess that other tanks will also.

 

Another modification of the Polish Cromwell was not so easy to hide. It was armored with caterpillars. Track links were welded to the hull and turret, thus increasing the thickness of the armor by some 15-20mm. It depended on what part of the link the missile hit and what caliber it was. Armor with links has a certain weakness. Well, it loses much of its armor against large-caliber shells and those that unfortunately hit the track joint. Different nations, to make it easier to understand, the tracks were welded together as linked links and they were attached to only a few welds, catching some of them with a weld. This means that most were attached not to the hull, but only to other links. This solution also allowed the crew to use the links to repair the tracks, if necessary, or remove most of them if necessary. This, however, meant that the large-caliber projectile, or one that unfortunately hit the links, did not have to penetrate the steel of the track, but only torn the joints and freely penetrated the hull armor. The Poles (but they were not an exception) not only connected the links together to form a caterpillar, but also welded each separately permanently to the hull. Not only was it so that they would protect against a hit more effectively, or after such a hit, the remaining ones would not fall off, but mainly so that the British general could not order the Poles to remove the links, because it was impossible. (͡ ° ͜ʖ ͡ °).

 

One of the armored tanks was the Cromwell of Colonel Franciszek Skibiński. The tracks used in his tank were from Cromwell tanks and covered the turret front, the upper front hull plate, and the sloping front hull plate. Caterpillars were also on the sides of the tower. The caterpillar armor increased the weight of the vehicle by just over a ton. The armor value was then: Turret: 96/83 / 57mm Hull: 84/46 / 38mm.

 

It is worth noting that the Poles did not make their tanks non-standard armored. Rather, they temporarily upgraded them to the Cromwell Mark V standard.

 

Source:

Memories and reports of Polish tankers of the 10th Mounted Rifle Regiment.

Bovington Tank Museum

Edited January 21, 2021 by AkIvonDemolka

[_IvalinA_ 88]

6 hours ago, AkIvonDemolka said:

Modifications of the A27M Cromwell Mk. IV of the Polish Armed Forces

The basic modification of these tanks was a simple procedure to remove the engine rev limiter. ...

 

Seams to be fine premium vehicle... Only if the Poland gets a full ground force tree. Other then that, should be in like the premium of the British tech tree.

 

 

 

 

On 09/01/2021 at 19:54, NeXeS-PL@psn said:

KTO ROSOMAK ...

 

Author already did add the Rosomak family to the tree...

Do You ignore his work or just spam ??

Edited January 21, 2021 by _IvalinA_

[_IvalinA_ 88]

 

On 22/12/2020 at 10:50, Bagniewski said:

I'd love to see a Polish tree in the game. Polish community is one of the largest, and I don't understand why Ganjin do not want to profit from this.

 

Yeep... don't think that pious wishes full of childish thinking rather than full real knowledge, that have become "popular" have any priority for the developers.

Edited January 21, 2021 by _IvalinA_

[_MinieOldman_ 16]

6 hours ago, AkIvonDemolka said:

Modifications of the A27M Cromwell Mk. IV of the Polish Armed Forces

.... Another modification of the Polish Cromwell was not so easy to hide. It was armored with caterpillars. Track links were welded to the hull and turret, thus increasing the thickness of the armor by some 15-20mm. ....

 

Same You will get from the regular Cromwell's of the UK tech tree...

Just give GJ some € for GE and use 3d decorations

[_IvalinA_ 88]

On 18/11/2020 at 00:31, AkIvonDemolka said:

Gas 69 2K15 - anti-tank off-road vehicle. ...

 

• 2K15 is the four rails launcher for the 3М6 Шмель ATGM not the vehicle it self
• The GAZ-69 with 2K15 launcher of 3М6 Шмель ATGM'S is designated 2P26
• By the truth Polish industry had bought a production license of the 3M6 Шмель ATGM, but this by no means makes the 2P26 based on the unarmored GAZ-69 and 2P27 based on the armored BRDM-1 or the 3M6 Шмель ATGM, be the indigenous design of polish arms industry.

[Mateusz_Nowak12 35]

On 21.01.2021 at 17:07, _IvalinA_ said:

 

 

Tak… nie myśl, że pobożne życzenia pełne dziecinnego myślenia, a nie pełnej prawdziwej wiedzy, które stały się „popularne”, mają dla programistów jakiś priorytet.

You show childish thinking by offending others.

[Mateusz_Nowak12 35]

On 21.01.2021 at 16:55, _IvalinA_ said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Autor dodał już rodzinę Rosomaków do drzewa ...

Ignorujesz jego pracę, czy po prostu spamujesz?

Before you write something, better think twice, and now see yourself again the Polish tree and the KTO again.

[_IvalinA_ 88]

2 hours ago, Mateusz_Nowak12 said:

You show childish thinking by offending others.

 

So... You call the constructive criticism and matter-of-fact discussion being a offense on others ... isn't that what a offended baby in a sandbox exactly does?

Do you really want personal minute of shame?

 

If You want to make something really better than USSR, UK, USA mashup of vehicles then better to ask people who work with real thing and made deep work in archives.

Also You can start deep archives digging by Yourself rather than spamming forums by everything from google search <<Polish Army>>, which won't get us any further than we are at today.

[StaszekJones 853]

26 minutes ago, _IvalinA_ said:

 

So... You call the constructive criticism and matter-of-fact discussion being a offense on others ... isn't that what a offended baby in a sandbox exactly does?

Do you really want personal minute of shame?

 

If You want to make something really better than USSR, UK, USA mashup of vehicles then better to ask people who work with real thing and made deep work in archives.

Also You can start deep archives digging by Yourself rather than spamming forums by everything from google search <<Polish Army>>, which won't get us any further than we are at today.

He trying to use google translate, but dont get context of that what you write bro. 

And yes, you have right. The problem of many polish players who write in this topic is that, they didnt know anything more tha wikipedia about vechicles they listed. 

[_IvalinA_ 88]

 

5 hours ago, Mateusz_Nowak12 said:

On 21/01/2021 at 16:55, _IvalinA_ said:

 

Autor dodał już rodzinę Rosomaków do drzewa ...

Ignorujesz jego pracę, czy po prostu spamujesz?

Before you write something, better think twice, and now see yourself again the Polish tree and the KTO again.

 

 

On 09/11/2020 at 09:26, NeXeS-PL@psn said:

On 06/11/2020 at 14:50, RazNaRok said:

 

Czy 2x23mm AAA ZUR-23-2SP może być obsługiwany / wystrzeliwany z zamontowanej pozycji na jego nośniku!?

Na poligonach w Ustce odpalano tylko pociski Piorun / Grom, podczas gdy ten zestaw przeciwlotniczy był zamontowany na lotniskowcu.

Do obsługi / strzelania z AAA 2x23mm ZUR-23-2SP trzeba go prawdopodobnie zdemontować ze względu na efekt odrzutu ... co sprawia, że jest on przestarzały w grze WT ze względu na mechanikę gry.

You have poor information regarding this system.  If the damage range is about 5km, it is suitable for 8.0-9.0

 

Mirror, mirror, on the wall, who's the fairest of them all?

Why do I have the impression of similarity ...

Has anyone been unable to respond to constructive criticism and so he had set up alternative accounts and did start to troll us?

 

 

 

[AftiksPL 197]

1 hour ago, _IvalinA_ said:

Has anyone been unable to respond to constructive criticism and so he had set up alternative accounts and did start to troll us?

Probably yes

[AkIvonDemolka 352]

Changes to the produced Polish T-55s

[RazNaRok 616]

40 minutes ago, AkIvonDemolka said:

Changes to the produced Polish T-55s

 

 

So... minor changes, mainly being cosmetic whose will not have, a big influence in comparison with either German or USSR T-55s.

If we consider these from the point of view of the game mechanics, and not the visual model with minor cosmetic change.

Good example of candidate to be a part in mini tech tree derivative of other nation tree...

 

Also we have to consider whether it is possible to collect full technical documentation of the introduced changes, most of which may be

or are classified secret even up to today or have simply been destroyed with the end of production of dated vehicle models.

 

If either We or the developer couldn't create a complete data sheet for any part of tech tree (not only vehicles), it be rather doubtful for such element to be added in game.

 

It should be considered whether we want a few very well-documented icons of the Polish armed forces placed as a event award, premium vehicles or even mini technology trees that are derivatives of technology trees of allied nations, or a Chinese style mixed collection of poorly documented vehicles, the mechanics of which will be the result of the improvisation of the developer being forced to provide at least a marginal balance of game-play (see the history of the Polish tank tree in WoT).

 

[NeXeS-PL@psn 270]

PT-91M2  (A1 version
 and A2) , the drive system
 you, including two different ones,
 more powerful engines.  Both versions are
 also provided with an auxiliary source
 power supply unit (APU).
 Ballistic protection modernized
 tanks were increased by
 mounting additional armor
 reactive on the turret and hull (ca-
 Erawa-2 sets in aluminum version
 third generation) and armor
 which protects the sides and rear of the compartment
 motor shaft.  Besides, the PT-91M2
 protection against
 hull bottom minefield.
 As a modernized armament
 Tank plant from Gliwice proposed
 Slovak 125 mm / L48 type gun
 2A46MS.  In the A1 version on the tower
 Weapons module was placed
 RCWS, and in A2 large-caliber penalty
 WKM-B machine bin for ammunition
 12.7x99 mm NATO and modernized
 engineered by specialists from Gliwice,
 loading mat AZ-1.  Both mod-
 The inspected examples were equipped
 into new stabilization systems and systems
 fire control (Israeli TIFCS in A1
 or the French Savan-15 in A2).  Sku-
 fire efficiency are to increase the new
 we, stabilized two-plane
 wo, integrated day and night ce-
 gunner's hunters and instruments
 day-night commanders - panora-
 mical and passive (spare).  Addition-
 The PT-91M2A2 has a day / night function
 SOD omnidirectional observation system
 Atena from PCO SA.  WRT

Edited January 28, 2021 by NeXeS-PL@psn

[StaszekJones 853]

1 hour ago, NeXeS-PL@psn said:

PT-91M2 cars of A1 version
 and A2, the drive system
 you, including two different ones,
 more powerful engines.  Both versions are
 also provided with an auxiliary source
 power supply unit (APU).
 Ballistic protection modernized
 tanks were increased by
 mounting additional armor
 reactive on the turret and hull (ca-
 Erawa-2 sets in aluminum version
 third generation) and armor
 which protects the sides and rear of the compartment
 motor shaft.  Besides, the PT-91M2
 protection against
 hull bottom minefield.
 As a modernized armament
 Tank plant from Gliwice proposed
 Slovak 125 mm / L48 type gun
 2A46MS.  In the A1 version on the tower
 Weapons module was placed
 RCWS, and in A2 large-caliber penalty
 WKM-B machine bin for ammunition
 12.7x99 mm NATO and modernized
 engineered by specialists from Gliwice,
 loading mat AZ-1.  Both mod-
 The inspected examples were equipped
 into new stabilization systems and systems
 fire control (Israeli TIFCS in A1
 or the French Savan-15 in A2).  Sku-
 fire efficiency are to increase the new
 we, stabilized two-plane
 wo, integrated day and night ce-
 gunner's hunters and instruments
 day-night commanders - panora-
 mical and passive (spare).  Addition-
 The PT-91M2A2 has a day / night function
 SOD omnidirectional observation system
 Atena from PCO SA.  WRT

Bro, next time dont C&P from translator. If u want, send request in polish group, we help to translate :X 

 

All "Twardy" family tanks is a modification of T-72 / T-72M1. We have now 4 tanks (?) from that family ? Maybe more. 

I know you all want this is because is Polish tank, but look from all sides : there is too many of the same tanks. 

 

[_MinieOldman_ 16]

6 hours ago, NeXeS-PL@psn said:

PT-91M2 cars of A1 version
 and A2, the drive system
 you, including two different ones,
 more powerful engines.  Both versions are
 also provided with an auxiliary source
 power supply unit (APU). ...

 

 

Marek, what is...

[Mateusz_Nowak12 35]

On 24.01.2021 at 13:17, AkIvonDemolka said:

Zmiany w produkowanych polskich T-55

 

Interesting photo, let's hope they will appear in our tree soon.

[NeXeS-PL@psn 270]

PT-91 

I am throwing you for comparison.

PS more and more trolling on our forum - no comment...

[StaszekJones 853]

26 minutes ago, NeXeS-PL@psn said:

PT-91 

I am throwing you for comparison.

PS more and more trolling on our forum - no comment...

FCS doesnt matter so much in game context. Only for that it uses or dont NV/TV. 

 

But still this is upgraded T-72 (Basic T-72). So, you can compare Twardy tank to T-72B, but still in many cases T-72B "win".

Look for some topics : 

https://www.facebook.com/662984467133504/posts/pt-91-vs-t-90-fakty-i-symulacja-komputerowa-walki-4z-uporem-na-chama-karmieni-je/933229030109045/

One of first topic about comprasion Twardy to other tanks. Maybe is not the best "scientific" article, but there is not much presume.

 

I think the best way for polish ground forces is add this tank to Soviet tree. Some as premiium, some maybe exchange with exist ? or maybe as modification ? 

[AftiksPL 197]

49 minutes ago, StaszekJones said:

I think the best way for polish ground forces is add this tank to Soviet tree. Some as premiium, some maybe exchange with exist ? or maybe as modification ? 

Visegrad tech tree is a much better way to add Polish machines.

 

[RazNaRok 616]

6 hours ago, StaszekJones said:

I think the best way for polish ground forces is add this tank to Soviet tree. Some as premiium, some maybe exchange with exist ? or maybe as modification ? 

 

Yup...

Exactly the way as the GJ's did with Italian's, before they did get own line thanks to the effort of BlueBeta and Co. ...

Mini technology trees put to as derivatives of main line of other nation. In this way, we could obtain a carefully made tree from selected icons

of the Polish arms industry, devoid of improvisation features, where was no adequate data in the found documentation.

I would even risk to ascertain of that, that a nation introduced in such way would be much better balanced than the present Chinese cocktail.

 

 

5 hours ago, AftiksPL said:

Visegrad tech tree is a much better way to add Polish machines.

 

Yes...

But is it as so good as the small technology trees as derivatives of the main ally lines?

 

Well... In my opinion, by the second way we would be able to introduce more vehicles than by looking for a compromise in the Visegrad group tech tree.

Such compromises will be required because in such a significantly mixed tree, several vehicles will solicit for each of places, potentially occupy a place

which we could use for one or more interesting vehicles of the Polish armed forces, by using the mini tech tree as a offshoot of the main line in an ally's tech tree.

Edited January 29, 2021 by RazNaRok

[_IvalinA_ 88]

8 hours ago, NeXeS-PL@psn said:

PS more and more trolling on our forum - no comment...

 

The cauldron criticized to a pot... Lord NeXeS-PL@psn, and maybe in this case Mateusz_Nowak12 as well?

Let the innocent throw the first stone.

 

Edited January 29, 2021 by _IvalinA_