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On 03/03/2023 at 00:45, Dewastor said:

1621705564_TSK50x.png.da864ae7444a812d40  Turkish Ground Forces Tech Tree  1903779996_KKK50x.png.b37ccaf573c0d47ecb

                                                                                                    Thunder in the Sky, Tanker on the Ground 

 

  We have been working on finding a proper solution for implementation of Turkish Tech Tree to War Thunder and now with the addition of Israeli Tech Tree Gaijin gave us best possible way to work on. After the initial release of Israeli TT, I have started working on my own project but it was rather sloppy and nowhere near of being a proper tech tree. After sometime finally found people who also were working on their own, and with our collective efforts here we are now presenting first refined version of our Turkish Tech Tree Project, lo and behold:

 

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Description

  The Turkish Tech Tree consists of 5 research branches just like any other tech tree in the game. We have focused on including in-service vehicles to Research Section as much as we can but to fill the gaps we took the liberty of adding prototypes, demonstrators, test-bed and some one-off vehicles so it safe to say the tech tree is mixture of in-service (or ex-service) vehicles and prototypes. Of course we reserved most of the prototypes/one-off vehicles to Premium Section, tried our best to not hinder the research section from any unique or interesting vehicles. Vehicles within the tree consists of combination of unique, modified or outright copy-paste vehicles, we do now that and uniqueness might be relative term, so please do not start any heat about this matter.

 

  Currently the Premium Section of the Tech Tree has four branches (its not like the number of branches are important), but in this version vehicles within fourth branches will not be revealed as we are still trying to work on them, we got some unique ideas about those vehicles and will be related one finalised. 

 

  For the time being, tech tree starts from Rank IV, much like Israeli counterpart, and has vehicles all the way down to the Rank VII and there are plans to move some vehicles up to Rank VIII once Gaijin introduces Rank VIII to Ground Forces. You should note that, tech tree is not finalised yet, some vehicles might be added, removed or moved within tech tree. Also more important note, take the BR arrangement of the vehicles with a grain (maybe with a pack ? lol) of salt since some of those vehicles are pretty modern machines and their specifications are classified (do not worry I'm not willing to leak any documents I swear) or do not have proper counterparts to decide fitting BR. You are very welcomed to states your opinion about BRs of vehicles as well as overall Tech Tree.

 

The Tech Tree

  As I've stated, tech tree consists of two main sections; Research and Premium (just like any other conventional trees), I'll provide photographs of vehicles, maybe a brief info and relevant suggestions links if they are exists. 

Research Section

Light Vehicle Branch

 

ACV-15 (Dragar) - 7.0

 

  ACV-15 with Nexter Systems' Dragar one-man turret armed with 25mm auto cannon. There are many similar vehicles to fill this spot but ACV-15 (Dragar) is, what I believe, the most numerous IFV within Turkish Armed Forces thus made it the research tree.

 

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ACV-15 (NEFER) - 7.3

 

  Pretty new modernisation of existing ACV-15s, with NEFER Unmanned Turret System armed with 25mm auto cannon. Currently in service.

 

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Arma 6x6  (LCTS 90MP) - 8.0

 

  Otokar's Arma 6x6 armed with Cockerill LCTS 90MP turret system. It is not in service and there is only one photograph from Otokar's testing grounds.

 

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Kaplan-30 (TEBER) - 8.0

 

  FNSS' new generation IFV, Kaplan-30. Armed with FNSS TEBER remote controlled turret system with a 30mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

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Arma 6x6 (BOZOK-25) - 8.3

 

  Otokar's Arma 6x6 with BOZOK-25 one-man turret system, armed with 25mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

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Arma 8x8 (CT-CV 105HP) - 9.0

 

  Otokar's Arma 8x8 with Cockerill CT-CV 105HP turret system. Currently not in service.

 

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Arma 8x8 (KORHAN) - 9.0

 

  Otokar's Arma 8x8 with ASELSAN KORHAN turret system armed with 35mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

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Tulpar Infantry Fighting Vehicle (MIZRAK-30) - 9.0

 

  Otokar's new generation IFV Tulpar with MIZRAK-30 unmanned turret system armed with 30mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

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Arma 8x8 (MIZRAK-30) - 9.3

 

  Otokar's Arma 8x8 with with MIZRAK-30 unmanned turret system armed with 30mm auto cannon and has ability to mount L-UMTAS ATGMs. Currently not in service.

 

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Tulpar Light Tank - 9.7

 

  Otokar's Tulpar Light Tank with Cockerill 3105 turret system armed with autoloader 105mm cannon. Currently not in service.

 

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Kaplan MMWT (Late) - 10.0 

 

  FNSS' Kaplan Kaplan MMWT/Light Tank with Cockerill 3105 turret system armed with autoloader 105mm cannon. Currently not in service. This one is IDEF 2019 prototype with PULAT APS, neither 2017 prototype nor the production version has APS system. 

 

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Main Battle Tank Branch - I 

*This Branch starts with German made or supplied main battle tanks and followed by indigenous tank prototypes and upgrade packages.

 

M48A5C 2 - 7.3

 

  American made M48A5C 2, acquired from Germany since other branch does not really need it, it seemed fit here. No modifications or upgrade, base version.

 

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M48T5 - 8.0

 

  Turkish M48's upgraded with the German packages in Turkey by 1st Main Maintenance Factory. Armed with  L7A3 105mm cannon, pretty much M48A2 G A2 in Turkish service. Saw limited service.

 

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Leopard 1A1 - 8.3

 

  Regular Leopard 1A1 in Turkish service.

 

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Leopard 1A3T1 - 8.7

 

  Regular Leopard 1A3 except 1A3T1 is fitted with EMES-12A3 fire control system unlike 1A3s.

 

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Leopard 2A4TR - 10.0

 

  Regular Leopard 2A4 in Turkish service, some sources dubs it as 2A4TR while some mention it as just 2A4. Currently in service.

 

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Leopard 2A4T1 - 11.0

 

  Recent upgrade of existing Leopard 2A4s with ROKETSAN T1 Armor Package. Currently 40 vehicles being planned for this package, some delivered and in service.

 

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Leopard 2A4 (TIYK) - 11.3

 

  On going modernisation project, no vehicle revealed yet. It is expected to be T1 with integrated with ASELSAN sub-systems and PULAT APS. 

 

 

Altay PV1 - 11.3

 

First detailed prototype of Altay Main Battle Tank, produced and tested under Phase-I of MİTÜP. Currently under development.

 

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Altay PV2 (2017) - 11.3

 

  Second detailed prototype of Altay Main Battle Tank, produced and tested under Phase-I of MİTÜP. This version showcased in IDEF 2017 and has modified gun mantlet different from when it was first revealed in 2015, also received MOCAS camouflage. Currently under development.

 

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Altay T1 (2019) - 11.7

 

  BMC's first iteration of T1 prototype, revealed in IDEF 2019. It received ASELSAN's AKKOR APS and has additional armor. Currently under development.

 

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Altay T1 (2021) - 11.7

 

  BMC's second iteration of  T1 prototype, revealed in IDEF 2021. It is fitted ASELSAN's AKKOR APS and has additional armor. 2021 iteration's turret design/turret armor scheme slightly redesigned. Currently under development.

 

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Main Battle Tank Branch - II 

*This Branch starts with American made or supplied main battle tanks and followed by indigenous tank prototypes and upgrade packages.

 

M41 - 6.0 (Reserve)

 

  Regular M61 in Turkish service. Some 100 M41s supplied to Turkey between 1959 and 1960.

 

 

M47 - 7.3

 

  Regular M47 in Turkish service.

 

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M48A1 - 7.3

 

  Regular M48A1 in Turkish service.

 

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M48A5T1 - 8.0

 

  Turkish M48's upgraded with the American packages in Turkey by 1st Main Maintenance Factory. Armed with M68E1 105mm cannon, received new M19 fire-control system, passive night vision, AVDS-1790-2C RISE diesel engine and fitted with M19 cupola. In storage, some used as training vehicles.

 

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M48A5T2 - 8.3

 

  Further upgrade of M48A5T2s Turkey by 1st Main Maintenance Factory. Its M19 fire-control system upgraded to M21, received laser range finder and TTS thermal sights. Also M19 cupolas are changed with low-visibility ones. Currently in limited service.

 

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M60A1 RISE - 8.3

 

  Regular M60A1 in Turkish service.  In storage, some used as training vehicles.

 

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M60A3 TTS - 8.7

 

  Regular M60A3 TTS in Turkish service. Currently in service.

 

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M60A3T1 - 9.3

 

  M60A3T1 (not an official designation) was a modernisation project. It received additional armor and ASELSAN sub-system but retains its 105mm cannon. It greatly resembles M60T in its shape. At least two prototypes were built and tested but due to unsatisfactory results, package was cancelled. 

 

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M60A3 (TIYK) - 9.7

 

  On going modernisation project, no vehicle revealed yet. Severals options for this package, will be updated with the reveal of the vehicle.

 

 

M60T - 10.0

 

  Extensive modernisation of Turkish M60A1 with the cooperation of IMI and 2nd Main Maintenance Center Command. M60A1 received IMI MG253 120mm L/44 cannon, a new armor package and much powerful engine. Currently in service, upgraded to M60TM standard.

 

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M60TM - 10.0

 

  M60TM Main Battle Tank is further modernization of M60T with the experiences gained from Operation Euphrates Shield (Fırat Kalkanı Harekatı). Under the modernisation, M60T's received numerous ASELSAN made sub-systems including; LWR, Close Range Surveillance System, SARP Remote Controlled Weapon Station and TEPES Telescopic Periscope System. Some units received PULAT APS while some not, both versions are in service and used in operations.

 

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M60TM (PULAT) - 10.3

 

  M60TM Main Battle Tank is further modernization of M60T with the experiences gained from Operation Euphrates Shield (Fırat Kalkanı Harekatı). Under the modernisation, M60T's received numerous ASELSAN made sub-systems including; LWR, Close Range Surveillance System, SARP Remote Controlled Weapon Station and TEPES Telescopic Periscope System. Some units received PULAT APS while some not, both versions are in service and used in operations.

 

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M60TM (TIYK) - 10.7

 

On going modernisation project, no vehicle revealed yet. It is said to receive either new armor package or change aging armor units and serial integration of VOLKAN-M fire control system. Probably PULAT will be integrated remaining vehicles which did not received them initially. 

 

 

Altay AHT - 11.7

 

  Altay AHT is the urban-warfare version of Altay and one of the last prototypes ever developed by Otokar. It received additional armor, smoke launchers and a dozer blade. Although it lacks AKKOR APS, it appears to be even more heavily armored than BMC's T1s.  Currently under development.

 

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Anti-Aircraft  Branch - II 

M42A1 - 4.7

 

  Regular M42A1 in Turkish service. In limited service.

 

 

Cobra I 4x4 (20mm/P20) - 6.0

 

  Otokar Cobra I 4x4 with NEXTER P20 remote controlled weapon platform. Currently not in service.

 

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Ejder Yalçın 4x4 (SARP-L) - 7.0

 

  Nurol Makina's Ejder Yalçın 4x4 with ASELSAN's SARP-L remotely controlled stabilized weapon system armed with M134 Minigun and Cirri missiles. Currently not in service.

 

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Ejder YALÇIN 4x4 (TRAKON 30) - 8.0

 

  Nurol Makina's Ejder Yalçın 4x4 with UNIROBOTICS TRAKON 30 remotely controlled stabilized weapon system armed with 30mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

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KORKUT - 8.3

 

  KORKUT is a Turkish self-propelled anti-air gun with twin-35mm auto cannon. KORKUT is combination of FNSS' ACV-AD platform and ASELSAN's turret system. It has ability to fire 35mm ATOM Airburst Rounds. Currently in service.

 

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Zıpkın PMSS - 9.3

 

  Zıpkın PMSS is Defender 130 with ASELSAN Zıpkın pedestal mounted stinger system. Currently in service.

 

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Atılgan PMSS - 9.7

 

  Zıpkın PMSS is M113 with ASELSAN Atılgan pedestal mounted stinger system. Currently in service.

 

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Vuran 4x4 (SUNGUR) - 10.0

 

  BMC's Vuran 4x4 with ROKETSAN SUNGUR air defence missile system. There is two version of it, one with 4-tubes and one with 6-tubes, both appears to be in operation service.

 

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HİSAR-A - 11.3

 

  HİSAR-A is a short range air defence system based on FNSS' ACV-AD platform. Currently in service.

 

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Tank Destroyer Branch 

M36B2 - 5.7

 

  Regular M36B2 in Turkish service.

 

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M44T - 6.7

 

  Modernised M44 with 155mm cannon and MB 833 engine. 

 

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M52T - 7.0

 

  Modernised M44 with 155mm L/39 cannon, new fire control system, MB 833 engine and received fully enclosed turret.

 

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T-155 Fırtına I - 7.3

 

  T-155 Fırtına is localised version of Korean K-9 Thunder self-propelled gun. Currently in service

 

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T-155 Fırtına II - 7.7

 

  T-155 Fırtına II is modernised version of Fırtına I. It received fully electrical turret system, new fire control system and ASELSAN made RCWS. Currently in service.

 

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Cobra I 4x4 (TOW) - 7.7

 

  Otokar Cobra I 4x4 with TOW ATGM launcher. Currently not in service.

 

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M113 (TOW) - 8.0

 

  M113 (probably M113A3) armed with TOW ATGM launcher. Currently in service.

 

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ACV-15 (TUA) - 8.0 

 

  ACV-15 with TOW-Under-the-Armor ATGM system. Currently in service.

 

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ACV-19 LGM-V - 9.0

 

  FNSS' ACV-19 with ROKETSAN Dual-Cirit Pod armed with 8 Cirri missiles. Currently in service.

 

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Pars 4x4 ARCT - 10.0

 

  FNSS' Pars 4x4 platform with ARCT ATGM system. Pars 4x4 platform was chosen for Turkish Army's STA (Weapon Carrier Vehicle) Tender alongside FNSS' Kaplan platform. Currently in service. Problem with this vehicle, its top missile would be OMTAS ATGM which is a fire-and-forget missile. Currently in War Thunder there is only one example of such missile on a helicopter. I'm not sure how it would fare on a ground vehicle, considering slow speed of L-UMTAS currently in game, it might not be that overpowered. Considering more and more tanks with APS getting added, this could find its way to tech tree. Another option would be limiting this vehicle with Kornet-E missiles. 

 

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Kaplan ARCT - 10.3

 

  FNSS' Kaplan-10 platform with ARCT ATGM system. Kaplan-10 platform was chosen for Turkish Army's STA (Weapon Carrier Vehicle) Tender alongside FNSS' Pro 4x4 platform. Currently in service. Problem with this vehicle, its top missile would be OMTAS ATGM which is a fire-and-forget missile. Currently in War Thunder there is only one example of such missile on a helicopter. I'm not sure how it would fare on a ground vehicle, considering slow speed of L-UMTAS currently in game, it might not be that overpowered. Considering more and more tanks with APS getting added, this could find its way to tech tree. Another option would be limiting this vehicle with Kornet-E missiles. 

 

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Kaplan TMLS - 11.3

 

FNSS' Kaplan-10 platform with ROKETSAN TMLS (Tactical Missile Launching System). TMLS, unlike ARCT, is a modular system and offers different armament options and combinations. TMLS has ability to carry and fire Cirit, OMTAS, UMTAS and L-UMTAS missiles in different configuration. System could be configured to carry 8x Cirit Missile, 4x Cirit & 2x OMTAS/L-UMTAS/UMTAS or 4 OMTAS/L-UMTAS/UMTAS. This vehicle also has same problem with ARCT platforms, fire-and-forget missiles. Solution is similar to above, Gaijin simply could lock fire-and-forget missile and allow system to be configured with only Cirit and L-UMTAS missiles. Currently in service.

 

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Dewastor you are doing great job here,please keep going.

Maybe a mod replace this one with first post?

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Premium Section

First Branch

 

ACV-15 (DAF) - 7.0

 

  ACV-15 with DAF one-man turret armed with 25mm auto cannon. It is another numerous IFV within TAF ranks, but I believe the one with Dragar turret being used more actively in these days. Currently in service.

 

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M47 (28. Mknz.P.Tüm.Tnk.Tb) - 7.3

 

  It is essentially a regular M47 in Turkish Service. Since there was not many candidates for GE premium around this BR, I thought adding a famous divisional tank (like Italian ones) would be appropriate. I managed to trace this specific tank's unit as much as I could. Tank is currently "preserved" as monument heights of Pentadaktylos/Beşparmak Dağları.

 

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Akrep IIe 4x4 (BOZOK-25) - 8.0

 

  Otokar's new generation Akrep 4x4 with fully electrical power pack, armed BOZOK-25 turret system with 25mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

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Kaplan-20 (TEBER) - 8.0

 

  FNSS' Kaplan-20 platform with TEBER remote controlled turret system, armed with 30mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

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M48A5T2 (MESH) - 8.0

 

  M48A5T2 with improvised mesh armor around its turret. Again, an alternative premium since it appears to be one-off modification, it only makes sense as premium rather than giving such modification to all M48A5T2s. 

 

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M60A3 (KELEBEK) - 8.7

 

  M60A3 with an unusual modification. It has Kelebek/Butterfly anti-aircraft machine-gun mount (Twin M2) on top of the main gun. Several different vehicles received this modification but it appears there is no formal name for this modification. It also could be added as research vehicle replacing regular M60A3 TTS or folders under. 

 

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Leopard 1T - 9.0

 

  Modernisation of Leopard 1A1. Modernisation included new NVG "AN/AVS-2", an indigenous fire control system "VOLKAN" and new stabilised line-of-sight periscope. Currently in service.

 

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Kaplan MMWT (Early) - 9.7 

 

  FNSS' Kaplan Kaplan MMWT/Light Tank with Cockerill 3105 turret system armed with autoloader 105mm cannon. This one is IDEF 2017 prototype, it lacks active protection system and hull configuration is slightly different from production version. Currently not in service.

 

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M60TM (VOLKAN-M) - 10.3

 

  M60TM fitted with new generation VOLKAN-M fire control system. This specific version is a test-bed for VOLKAN-M trials and best way to add an M60T as premium without really hindering the research tree. 

 

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Altay PV2 (2015) - 11.3

 

  Second detailed prototype of Altay Main Battle Tank, produced and tested under Phase-I of MİTÜP. This version showcased in IDEF 2015. Currently under development.

 

 

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Second Branch

 

ACV-15 (Sharpshooter) - 7.0

 

  ACV-15 with Sharpshooter one-man turret armed with 25mm auto cannon. This version is tested, but not adopted, at least in great numbers.

 

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ACV-15 (Saber) - 7.0

 

  ACV-15 with Saber one-man turre armed with 25mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

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Ejder 6x6 (Dragar) - 7.7

 

  Nurol Makine's Ejder 6x6 with Dragar turret armed with 25mm auto cannon. Nurol withdrew Ejder 6x6 platform as their venture FNSS already had 6x6 platform. Currently not in service.

 

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RN-94 (Dragar) - 7.7

 

  RN-94 is a Romanian-Turkish project. It greatly resembles BTR platform, and Bangladesh remains only user in ambulance configuration. Turkish side experimented with 25mm turret to turn it into an wheeled-IFV. It is armed with Drahar turret with 25mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

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Pars 6x6 (PENÇE) - 8.0

 

  FNSS' Pars II 6x6 platform with ASELSAN's experimental remotely controlled PENÇE/CLAW turret system armed with 25mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

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Pars 6x6 (SABER RCT) - 8.7

 

  FNSS' Pars III 6x6 platform with SABER RCT remotely controlled turret system armed with 25mm auto-cannon. Currently not in service.

 

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Pars IV 8x8 (TEBER-35) - 9.0

 

 

  FNSS' new generation wheeled vehicle Pars IV 8x8 with FNSS TEBER-35 remote controlled turret system with 35mm auto cannon. Currently not in service, will be competing in NG-IFV tender for TAF.

 

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Altuğ 8x8 (KORHAN) - 9.0

 

  BMC's new generation wheeled-vehicle with ASELSAN's KORHAN turret system armed with 35mm auto cannon. Currently not in service, will be competing in NG-IFV tender for TAF.

 

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Tulpar-S (MLS) - 9.0

 

  Otokar's Tulpar-S platform with ASELSAN's MLS turret system armed with OMTAS ATGM. Lost tender to FNSS' Kaplan ARCT.

 

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Leopard 2A4 (ERA) - 10.3

 

  Leopard 2A4 modernisation effort carried by BMC. It was seen once and no words came out of it again. It basically an Leopard 2A4 covered with ERA blocks. It would make great event vehicle.

 

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T-84-120 "Yatağan" - 10.7

 

  Ukrainian T-84 modified to meet Turkish need in early 2000s. Lost the tender to Leopard 2A6EX.

 

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Leopard 2A4 (Armor Test Bed) - 11.0

 

  An obscure Leopard 2A4 modernisation effort, there is not much known about it except few images and videos. It was probably cancelled due to weight issues, with the amount of additional armor it would be one of the best armored Leopard in game. Perfect vehicle as an event prize.

 

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Altay FTR - 11.0

 

  Early prototype of Altay main battle tank. It was configured as firing test rig and conducted tests. It turret later said to be integrated into Leopard 2 in BMC's modernisation effort.

 

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Leopard 2A4 (FTR Turret) - 11.7

 

  One of BMC's solutions to Leopard 2A4 modernisation. Its a modified Leopard 2A4 mated with Altay FTR's turret. Degree of modernisation is unknown. 

 

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Second Branch

 

ACV-NG - 7.0

 

  ACV-19 with Bradley turret armed with 25mm auto cannon (no ATGMs) and dubbed as ACV-NG.

 

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ACV-19 (PENÇE) - 7.3

 

  FNSS' ACV-19 platform with ASELSAN's experimental remotely controlled PENÇE/CLAW turret system armed with 25mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

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ACV-19 (CSE 90LP) - 7.7

 

  ACV-19 mated with Cockerill CSE 90LP turret system. It was offered to Philippines but was not accepted into service.

 

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Akrep IId 4x4 (CSE 90LP) - 8.3

 

  Otokar's new generation Akrep 4x4 with Diesel engine, armed with Cockerill CSE 90LP. Currently not in service.

 

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T-55 - 8.0

 

  Single T-55 bought from Germany's ex-DDR stocks for testing purposes. 

 

 

ACV-19 (2K23) - 8.0

 

  ACV-19 mated with 2K23 turret system (aka BMP-3 turret). It was offered to United Arab Emirates, there is no further information about the project. 

 

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Rabdan 8x8 (2K23) - 8.7

 

  Rabdan 8x8 is modified Arma 8x8 to meet needs of United Arab Emirates, some fitted with 2K23 turret system.

 

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M60 AMBT - 9.7

 

 

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Arma 8x8 (OMTAS) - 10.7

 

  Otokar's Arma 8x8 fitted with ROKETSAN's OMTAS launcher. Currently not in service.

 

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Leopard 2 NG - 11.0

 

  ASELSAN's solution for Leopard 2A4 modernisation. Package included ASELSAN sub-systems as well as AMAP armor package. It was eventually cancelled.

 

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Fourth Branch

WORK-IN-PROGRESS

Future Prospects

  Current version of the Tech Tree is ver much complete but there are some other vehicle which could be included into the tree. There are few ongoing modernisation projects (TİYKs) which I've included in the tree without much information. I'll be updating those vehicles once they are revealed. There is one interesting idea I'm still trying to figure out about Fourth Branch of Premium Section and hopefully reveal it pretty soon once I manage to finalise it.

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On 03/03/2023 at 00:45, Dewastor said:

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                                                                                                    Thunder in the Sky, Tanker on the Ground 

 

  We have been working on finding a proper solution for implementation of Turkish Tech Tree to War Thunder and now with the addition of Israeli Tech Tree Gaijin gave us best possible way to work on. After the initial release of Israeli TT, I have started working on my own project but it was rather sloppy and nowhere near of being a proper tech tree. After sometime finally found people who also were working on their own, and with our collective efforts here we are now presenting first refined version of our Turkish Tech Tree Project, lo and behold:

 

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Description

  The Turkish Tech Tree consists of 5 research branches just like any other tech tree in the game. We have focused on including in-service vehicles to Research Section as much as we can but to fill the gaps we took the liberty of adding prototypes, demonstrators, test-bed and some one-off vehicles so it safe to say the tech tree is mixture of in-service (or ex-service) vehicles and prototypes. Of course we reserved most of the prototypes/one-off vehicles to Premium Section, tried our best to not hinder the research section from any unique or interesting vehicles. Vehicles within the tree consists of combination of unique, modified or outright copy-paste vehicles, we do now that and uniqueness might be relative term, so please do not start any heat about this matter.

 

  Currently the Premium Section of the Tech Tree has four branches (its not like the number of branches are important), but in this version vehicles within fourth branches will not be revealed as we are still trying to work on them, we got some unique ideas about those vehicles and will be related one finalised. 

 

  For the time being, tech tree starts from Rank IV, much like Israeli counterpart, and has vehicles all the way down to the Rank VII and there are plans to move some vehicles up to Rank VIII once Gaijin introduces Rank VIII to Ground Forces. You should note that, tech tree is not finalised yet, some vehicles might be added, removed or moved within tech tree. Also more important note, take the BR arrangement of the vehicles with a grain (maybe with a pack ? lol) of salt since some of those vehicles are pretty modern machines and their specifications are classified (do not worry I'm not willing to leak any documents I swear) or do not have proper counterparts to decide fitting BR. You are very welcomed to states your opinion about BRs of vehicles as well as overall Tech Tree.

 

The Tech Tree

  As I've stated, tech tree consists of two main sections; Research and Premium (just like any other conventional trees), I'll provide photographs of vehicles, maybe a brief info and relevant suggestions links if they are exists. 

Research Section

Light Vehicle Branch

 

ACV-15 (Dragar) - 7.0

 

  ACV-15 with Nexter Systems' Dragar one-man turret armed with 25mm auto cannon. There are many similar vehicles to fill this spot but ACV-15 (Dragar) is, what I believe, the most numerous IFV within Turkish Armed Forces thus made it the research tree.

 

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ACV-15 (NEFER) - 7.3

 

  Pretty new modernisation of existing ACV-15s, with NEFER Unmanned Turret System armed with 25mm auto cannon. Currently in service.

 

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Arma 6x6  (LCTS 90MP) - 8.0

 

  Otokar's Arma 6x6 armed with Cockerill LCTS 90MP turret system. It is not in service and there is only one photograph from Otokar's testing grounds.

 

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Kaplan-30 (TEBER) - 8.0

 

  FNSS' new generation IFV, Kaplan-30. Armed with FNSS TEBER remote controlled turret system with a 30mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

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Arma 6x6 (BOZOK-25) - 8.3

 

  Otokar's Arma 6x6 with BOZOK-25 one-man turret system, armed with 25mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

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Arma 8x8 (CT-CV 105HP) - 9.0

 

  Otokar's Arma 8x8 with Cockerill CT-CV 105HP turret system. Currently not in service.

 

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Arma 8x8 (KORHAN) - 9.0

 

  Otokar's Arma 8x8 with ASELSAN KORHAN turret system armed with 35mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

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Tulpar Infantry Fighting Vehicle (MIZRAK-30) - 9.0

 

  Otokar's new generation IFV Tulpar with MIZRAK-30 unmanned turret system armed with 30mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

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Arma 8x8 (MIZRAK-30) - 9.3

 

  Otokar's Arma 8x8 with with MIZRAK-30 unmanned turret system armed with 30mm auto cannon and has ability to mount L-UMTAS ATGMs. Currently not in service.

 

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Tulpar Light Tank - 9.7

 

  Otokar's Tulpar Light Tank with Cockerill 3105 turret system armed with autoloader 105mm cannon. Currently not in service.

 

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Kaplan MMWT (Late) - 10.0 

 

  FNSS' Kaplan Kaplan MMWT/Light Tank with Cockerill 3105 turret system armed with autoloader 105mm cannon. Currently not in service. This one is IDEF 2019 prototype with PULAT APS, neither 2017 prototype nor the production version has APS system. 

 

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Main Battle Tank Branch - I 

*This Branch starts with German made or supplied main battle tanks and followed by indigenous tank prototypes and upgrade packages.

 

M48A5C 2 - 7.3

 

  American made M48A5C 2, acquired from Germany since other branch does not really need it, it seemed fit here. No modifications or upgrade, base version.

 

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M48T5 - 8.0

 

  Turkish M48's upgraded with the German packages in Turkey by 1st Main Maintenance Factory. Armed with  L7A3 105mm cannon, pretty much M48A2 G A2 in Turkish service. Saw limited service.

 

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Leopard 1A1 - 8.3

 

  Regular Leopard 1A1 in Turkish service.

 

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Leopard 1A3T1 - 8.7

 

  Regular Leopard 1A3 except 1A3T1 is fitted with EMES-12A3 fire control system unlike 1A3s.

 

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Leopard 2A4TR - 10.0

 

  Regular Leopard 2A4 in Turkish service, some sources dubs it as 2A4TR while some mention it as just 2A4. Currently in service.

 

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Leopard 2A4T1 - 11.0

 

  Recent upgrade of existing Leopard 2A4s with ROKETSAN T1 Armor Package. Currently 40 vehicles being planned for this package, some delivered and in service.

 

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Leopard 2A4 (TIYK) - 11.3

 

  On going modernisation project, no vehicle revealed yet. It is expected to be T1 with integrated with ASELSAN sub-systems and PULAT APS. 

 

 

Altay PV1 - 11.3

 

First detailed prototype of Altay Main Battle Tank, produced and tested under Phase-I of MİTÜP. Currently under development.

 

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Altay PV2 (2017) - 11.3

 

  Second detailed prototype of Altay Main Battle Tank, produced and tested under Phase-I of MİTÜP. This version showcased in IDEF 2017 and has modified gun mantlet different from when it was first revealed in 2015, also received MOCAS camouflage. Currently under development.

 

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Altay T1 (2019) - 11.7

 

  BMC's first iteration of T1 prototype, revealed in IDEF 2019. It received ASELSAN's AKKOR APS and has additional armor. Currently under development.

 

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Altay T1 (2021) - 11.7

 

  BMC's second iteration of  T1 prototype, revealed in IDEF 2021. It is fitted ASELSAN's AKKOR APS and has additional armor. 2021 iteration's turret design/turret armor scheme slightly redesigned. Currently under development.

 

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Main Battle Tank Branch - II 

*This Branch starts with American made or supplied main battle tanks and followed by indigenous tank prototypes and upgrade packages.

 

M41 - 6.0 (Reserve)

 

  Regular M61 in Turkish service. Some 100 M41s supplied to Turkey between 1959 and 1960.

 

 

M47 - 7.3

 

  Regular M47 in Turkish service.

 

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M48A1 - 7.3

 

  Regular M48A1 in Turkish service.

 

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M48A5T1 - 8.0

 

  Turkish M48's upgraded with the American packages in Turkey by 1st Main Maintenance Factory. Armed with M68E1 105mm cannon, received new M19 fire-control system, passive night vision, AVDS-1790-2C RISE diesel engine and fitted with M19 cupola. In storage, some used as training vehicles.

 

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M48A5T2 - 8.3

 

  Further upgrade of M48A5T2s Turkey by 1st Main Maintenance Factory. Its M19 fire-control system upgraded to M21, received laser range finder and TTS thermal sights. Also M19 cupolas are changed with low-visibility ones. Currently in limited service.

 

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M60A1 RISE - 8.3

 

  Regular M60A1 in Turkish service.  In storage, some used as training vehicles.

 

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M60A3 TTS - 8.7

 

  Regular M60A3 TTS in Turkish service. Currently in service.

 

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M60A3T1 - 9.3

 

  M60A3T1 (not an official designation) was a modernisation project. It received additional armor and ASELSAN sub-system but retains its 105mm cannon. It greatly resembles M60T in its shape. At least two prototypes were built and tested but due to unsatisfactory results, package was cancelled. 

 

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M60A3 (TIYK) - 9.7

 

  On going modernisation project, no vehicle revealed yet. Severals options for this package, will be updated with the reveal of the vehicle.

 

 

M60T - 10.0

 

  Extensive modernisation of Turkish M60A1 with the cooperation of IMI and 2nd Main Maintenance Center Command. M60A1 received IMI MG253 120mm L/44 cannon, a new armor package and much powerful engine. Currently in service, upgraded to M60TM standard.

 

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M60TM - 10.0

 

  M60TM Main Battle Tank is further modernization of M60T with the experiences gained from Operation Euphrates Shield (Fırat Kalkanı Harekatı). Under the modernisation, M60T's received numerous ASELSAN made sub-systems including; LWR, Close Range Surveillance System, SARP Remote Controlled Weapon Station and TEPES Telescopic Periscope System. Some units received PULAT APS while some not, both versions are in service and used in operations.

 

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M60TM (PULAT) - 10.3

 

  M60TM Main Battle Tank is further modernization of M60T with the experiences gained from Operation Euphrates Shield (Fırat Kalkanı Harekatı). Under the modernisation, M60T's received numerous ASELSAN made sub-systems including; LWR, Close Range Surveillance System, SARP Remote Controlled Weapon Station and TEPES Telescopic Periscope System. Some units received PULAT APS while some not, both versions are in service and used in operations.

 

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M60TM (TIYK) - 10.7

 

On going modernisation project, no vehicle revealed yet. It is said to receive either new armor package or change aging armor units and serial integration of VOLKAN-M fire control system. Probably PULAT will be integrated remaining vehicles which did not received them initially. 

 

 

Altay AHT - 11.7

 

  Altay AHT is the urban-warfare version of Altay and one of the last prototypes ever developed by Otokar. It received additional armor, smoke launchers and a dozer blade. Although it lacks AKKOR APS, it appears to be even more heavily armored than BMC's T1s.  Currently under development.

 

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Anti-Aircraft  Branch - II 

M42A1 - 4.7

 

  Regular M42A1 in Turkish service. In limited service.

 

 

Cobra I 4x4 (20mm/P20) - 6.0

 

  Otokar Cobra I 4x4 with NEXTER P20 remote controlled weapon platform. Currently not in service.

 

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Ejder Yalçın 4x4 (SARP-L) - 7.0

 

  Nurol Makina's Ejder Yalçın 4x4 with ASELSAN's SARP-L remotely controlled stabilized weapon system armed with M134 Minigun and Cirri missiles. Currently not in service.

 

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Ejder YALÇIN 4x4 (TRAKON 30) - 8.0

 

  Nurol Makina's Ejder Yalçın 4x4 with UNIROBOTICS TRAKON 30 remotely controlled stabilized weapon system armed with 30mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

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KORKUT - 8.3

 

  KORKUT is a Turkish self-propelled anti-air gun with twin-35mm auto cannon. KORKUT is combination of FNSS' ACV-AD platform and ASELSAN's turret system. It has ability to fire 35mm ATOM Airburst Rounds. Currently in service.

 

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Zıpkın PMSS - 9.3

 

  Zıpkın PMSS is Defender 130 with ASELSAN Zıpkın pedestal mounted stinger system. Currently in service.

 

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Atılgan PMSS - 9.7

 

  Zıpkın PMSS is M113 with ASELSAN Atılgan pedestal mounted stinger system. Currently in service.

 

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Vuran 4x4 (SUNGUR) - 10.0

 

  BMC's Vuran 4x4 with ROKETSAN SUNGUR air defence missile system. There is two version of it, one with 4-tubes and one with 6-tubes, both appears to be in operation service.

 

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HİSAR-A - 11.3

 

  HİSAR-A is a short range air defence system based on FNSS' ACV-AD platform. Currently in service.

 

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Tank Destroyer Branch 

M36B2 - 5.7

 

  Regular M36B2 in Turkish service.

 

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M44T - 6.7

 

  Modernised M44 with 155mm cannon and MB 833 engine. 

 

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M52T - 7.0

 

  Modernised M44 with 155mm L/39 cannon, new fire control system, MB 833 engine and received fully enclosed turret.

 

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T-155 Fırtına I - 7.3

 

  T-155 Fırtına is localised version of Korean K-9 Thunder self-propelled gun. Currently in service

 

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T-155 Fırtına II - 7.7

 

  T-155 Fırtına II is modernised version of Fırtına I. It received fully electrical turret system, new fire control system and ASELSAN made RCWS. Currently in service.

 

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Cobra I 4x4 (TOW) - 7.7

 

  Otokar Cobra I 4x4 with TOW ATGM launcher. Currently not in service.

 

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M113 (TOW) - 8.0

 

  M113 (probably M113A3) armed with TOW ATGM launcher. Currently in service.

 

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ACV-15 (TUA) - 8.0 

 

  ACV-15 with TOW-Under-the-Armor ATGM system. Currently in service.

 

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ACV-19 LGM-V - 9.0

 

  FNSS' ACV-19 with ROKETSAN Dual-Cirit Pod armed with 8 Cirri missiles. Currently in service.

 

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Pars 4x4 ARCT - 10.0

 

  FNSS' Pars 4x4 platform with ARCT ATGM system. Pars 4x4 platform was chosen for Turkish Army's STA (Weapon Carrier Vehicle) Tender alongside FNSS' Kaplan platform. Currently in service. Problem with this vehicle, its top missile would be OMTAS ATGM which is a fire-and-forget missile. Currently in War Thunder there is only one example of such missile on a helicopter. I'm not sure how it would fare on a ground vehicle, considering slow speed of L-UMTAS currently in game, it might not be that overpowered. Considering more and more tanks with APS getting added, this could find its way to tech tree. Another option would be limiting this vehicle with Kornet-E missiles. 

 

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Kaplan ARCT - 10.3

 

  FNSS' Kaplan-10 platform with ARCT ATGM system. Kaplan-10 platform was chosen for Turkish Army's STA (Weapon Carrier Vehicle) Tender alongside FNSS' Pro 4x4 platform. Currently in service. Problem with this vehicle, its top missile would be OMTAS ATGM which is a fire-and-forget missile. Currently in War Thunder there is only one example of such missile on a helicopter. I'm not sure how it would fare on a ground vehicle, considering slow speed of L-UMTAS currently in game, it might not be that overpowered. Considering more and more tanks with APS getting added, this could find its way to tech tree. Another option would be limiting this vehicle with Kornet-E missiles. 

 

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Kaplan TMLS - 11.3

 

FNSS' Kaplan-10 platform with ROKETSAN TMLS (Tactical Missile Launching System). TMLS, unlike ARCT, is a modular system and offers different armament options and combinations. TMLS has ability to carry and fire Cirit, OMTAS, UMTAS and L-UMTAS missiles in different configuration. System could be configured to carry 8x Cirit Missile, 4x Cirit & 2x OMTAS/L-UMTAS/UMTAS or 4 OMTAS/L-UMTAS/UMTAS. This vehicle also has same problem with ARCT platforms, fire-and-forget missiles. Solution is similar to above, Gaijin simply could lock fire-and-forget missile and allow system to be configured with only Cirit and L-UMTAS missiles. Currently in service.

 

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In 1997, FNSS and United Defense LP teamed up to offer the M8 Buford AGS to the Turkish Land Forces Command (TLFC).
In September 1997, the second of six M8 AGS prototypes built with the highest protection level III was demonstrated in Turkey.

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On 04/03/2023 at 15:16, Buzx said:

 

 

 

 

 

Dewastor you are doing great job here,please keep going.

Maybe a mod replace this one with first post?

 

  Thank you sir, I'll :salute:

 

On 04/03/2023 at 20:29, CneuHa3_TUR said:

Excellent work you did there! :salute:

 

  Trying my best :salute:

 

19 hours ago, Raiden_Black said:

In 1997, FNSS and United Defense LP teamed up to offer the M8 Buford AGS to the Turkish Land Forces Command (TLFC).
In September 1997, the second of six M8 AGS prototypes built with the highest protection level III was demonstrated in Turkey.

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  A little more insight for this vehicle; M8 was showcased in IDEF'97 to Army Officials, and it attracted great interest. In 21 October 1997, M8 demonstrated live firing test in Artillery and Missile School Command, Polatlı. After successful firing tests M8 was brought to demonstrate its firepower yet again to military higher ups in Armored Troops School and Training Center Command. M8 was tested for the last time in Şereflikoçhisar Land Forces Tank Shooting Range, again satisfied the army officials. 

 

  After promising tests and demonstrations, FNSS, then FMC-Nurol, and UDLP reach to an agreement for licences production of M8. Vehicle remained in Nurol plants for some time then sent to Thailand for for demonstrations. 

 

 

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It was something I had been dreaming of for a long time. If even the Israel tree has been added to the game, why shouldn't our tree be added as well. Yes, maybe it won't be any different from other trees to a certain level, but when you get through that stage, oh man, it's nice even to imagine.I would like to add that Turkey is also a good country in terms of helicopter use, maybe helicopters can also be added [for example: Cyprus peacekeeping operation]. [I really wanna to see AH-1W Super Cobra Heli]

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"New Altay" by BMC Defense, 2023.
Uses South Korean powerpack.
The Aselsan ÖRÜMCEK system provides 360° observation. Also comes with YAMGÖZ laser warning system & AKKOR Active Protection System.
The turret roof armor has been designed taking into account the threat of modern top attack ATGMs.

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On 01/01/2020 at 06:34, PikPikker said:

Hello, I'm going to suggest adding Turkey as a new combined nation to the game, and here is Turkish Ground Forces Tech Tree:

https://pikpikker.neocities.org/tur_wt.html

This is my own site where you can enlarge every picture and click any tank to read about it!

The tree as a picture:

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Turkish tech tree might be considered weird, and it is indeed, but Turkey has a wide range of modern military machines to present us! There are different MBTs (including the famous Turkish Altay MBT), tank destroyers and SPAAGs which do not have any analogues. Though Turkey was neutral during WW2 (if we have to choose, then Turkey is a member of Allies), there are enough tanks to fill all the ranks.

 

Now I will give a little review on each line.

Line 1 - light tanks. Here we have a line mostly filled with light tanks. These machines were shown on exhibitions, so they have all the modern equipment to destroy the enemy. Also there are self-propelled howitzers.

Line 2 - medium tanks. Most of the tanks are just modifications, but closer to the end they are more and more unique - and Altay MBT as the great final.

Line 3 - tank destroyers. You are in the right place if you are looking for some high-tech way to demolish your enemy because there is a range of deadly missiles on compact platforms.

Line 4 - SPAAGs. Like all of my SPAAG branches, this one is full of indigenous anti-air vehicles as well (not counting Duster). The highlight of this branch is ACV-30 Korkut - modern double 35 mm anti-air gun to clear the skies.

 

Some words about my tech tree.

At first, I tried avoiding too many copies - and that is why not all the Turkish tanks might be here (for example, I avoided some import tanks like non-modernized M60).

All the BRs are approximate (or can be totally wrong), and were set as for arcade mode.

All the shown premium tanks can be implemented as available for purchase for Lions, pack specials or any others.

I expect BA-6 and Renault R35 to be the Reserve tanks.

Also there are only 5 tanks on rank 2 and 3, but it does not go against the game system of research: China has only 5 necessary vehicles to research on rank 2, and same for Italy on rank 3.

 

Vehicle count:

Rank 1: 8 (for research) + 1 (premiums)

Rank 2: 5 

Rank 3: 5

Rank 4: 6 + 2

Rank 5: 7 + 3

Rank 6: 10 + 2

Rank 7: 11

Total: 60 vehicles (52 without premiums)

 

Here is the vehicle list with all the tank pictures, but only some of them has a description. You can access decent sources for all other tanks from my site (I will also answer all the questions regarding my tree if you have any!).

 

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M8 Greyhound

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M3A1 Stuart

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M24 Chaffee

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M44T

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M52T

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FNSS Light Tank 90 mm

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Light tank with 90 mm gun turret installed on ACV-S APC in 2000s. 350 hp Detroit Diesel, protection against 14.5 mm shots all-around. Did not go further than a prototype.

Korhan

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Modern Medium Weight Tank (MMWT)

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T-26 1933

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T-28

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M47 Patton

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Altay

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Renault R35

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Hotchkiss H39

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ACV-15 AIFV

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Tulpar

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Line 4 - SPAAGs

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Henschel 33 2M

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Presumably Henschel 33 truck with double 7.62 mm Maxim's anti-air machine gun in 1940s.

M113A2T2

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M42A1 Duster

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Zipkin PMADS

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Tuzla M40

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T-122 Sakarya

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Asya

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Modern-looking self-propelled 155 mm L/52 howitzer but old inside. Was shown in 2017.

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Cobra TOW

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M60AE

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M60 prototype with reactive armor. It is a technology demonstrator for Altay.

 

 

 

 

Sources

The full list of sources is pretty large, and you can access it here: https://pikpikker.neocities.org/about.html

 

Don't forget to add the 2023 model Altay tank 

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On 23/03/2022 at 22:04, Dewastor said:

  I don't wanna sound rude but can you even read ? I literally said it is just the MBT LINES, it takes a long time to finalize a TT, you can be sure I already have a quite large list of vehicles.

 

Whatever, I have managed to made cluster of Light Vehicles. I didn't made proper line just mini lines, to show potential vehicles so be easy on me this one;

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  There's total of 17 vehicle including premiums and event vehicles. First Line is wheeled tank destroyers and fire support vehicles and consists of 4 vehicles (lul), Second Line is auto-canon armed wheeled vehicles and consists of 5 vehicles (again lul), Third Line is so called "Light Tanks" and consists of just 3 vehicles. Premium Side offers nothing different from research tree, they're generally redundant vehicles to add as they are quite similar to their TT counterparts. Arma platform dominates lines, there is one platform I deliberately left outside of the tree since it offer nothing really different and that platform is Pars III/IV. Still will be providing info about them. Every vehicle in this tree is indigenous designs of Turkish companies (maybe except Rabdan which was based on Arma 8x8 and modified to meet the requirements).

 

First Line, Wheeled Tank Destroyer/Fire Support Vehicles;

  • Akrep IId 4x4, Armed with 90mm Gun on Cockerill CSE 90LP Turret
  • Arma 6x6, Armed with 90mm on either Cockerill CSE 90LP or LCTS 90MP Turret
  • Arma 8x8 “Rabdan”, Armed with 100mm and 30mm Guns of BMP-3 on 2K23 Turret
  • Arma 8x8, Armed with 105mm Gun on Cockerill 3105 Turret

 

Second Line, Auto-Canon Armed Wheeled Vehicles;

  • Akrep IId 4x4, Armed with 25mm Auto-Cannon
  • Akrep IId 4x4, Armed with 30mm Auto-Cannon
  • Arma 8x8, Armed with 25mm Auto-Cannon on Bozok-25 Turret
  • Arma 8x8, Armed with 30mm Auto-Cannon with L-UMTAS ATGM on Mızrak-30 Turret
  • Arma 8x8, Armed with 35mm Auto-Cannon, KORKUT Weapon System, has Hard-Kill APS

 

Third Line, Light "Tanks";

  • ACV-19, Armed with 90mm Gun on Cockerill CSE 90LP Turret
  • ACV-19, Armed with 100mm and 30mm Guns of BMP-3 on 2K23 Turret
  • Tulpar Light Tank, Armed with 105mm Gun on Cockerill 3105 Turret

 

Premiums;

  • Cobra II 4x4, Armed with 25mm Auto-Cannon on Bozok-25 Turret
  • Arma 6x6, Armed with 25mm Auto-Cannon on Bozok-25 Turret
  • Pars III/IV, Armed with 35mm Auto-Cannon on TEBER-35 Turret
  • Kaplan MMWT, aka Harimau, Armed with 105mm Gun on Cockerill 3105 Turret
  • Altuğ 8x8, Armed with 35mm KORKUT Weapon System, as Hard-Kill APS

 

Vehicles that are not Present on TT;

  • Pars III/IV 6x6, Armed with 25mm on SABER-25 Turret
  • Pars III/IV 8x8, Armed with 25mm on SABER-25 Turret
  • Pars III/IV 8x8, Armed with 30mm on TEBER-30 Turret

 

 

Akrep IId 4x4 90mm CSE 90LP

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Arma 6x6 90mm CSE 90LP/ LCTS 90MP

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Arma 8x8 “Rabdan” 100mm 2K23 

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Arma 8x8 105mm Cockerill 3105

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Akrep IId 4x4 25mm/30mm

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Arma 8x8 25mm Bozok-25

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Arma 8x8 30mm Mızrak-30 with UMTAS

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Tulpar Light Tank 105mm Cockerill 3105

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Cobra II 4x4 25mm Bozok-25 

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Pars III 8x8 35mm TEBER-35

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thx these are all so good i wish we can see Turkish TT with the Azerbaijan TT

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28 minutes ago, GenOfGames07 said:

+1 Italy sub TT

there is no way to put turkey in italy as sub TT. USA or even israel is more suitable(or maybe even germany, but the best is USA right now)

 

On 18/04/2023 at 00:30, TR_GEN_TARIK_E said:

thx these are all so good i wish we can see Turkish TT with the Azerbaijan TT

azerbaijan dont have enough "unique" vehicles for a TT, but it has place in soviets or in a combined TT(or just put azeri camos in soviet vehicles, lol. i dont know no azeri vehicles that produced or designed by themself at all). also azerbaijan is literally an ex-soviet, which mean turkey and azerbaijan has no similarities for military. 

 

On 27/03/2023 at 22:25, TR_GEN_TARIK_E said:

Don't forget to add the 2023 model Altay tank 

altay is not even yet mass produced, altay shouldnt be in possible turkish (sub)TT, right now.

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7 hours ago, modern_primat said:

there is no way to put turkey in italy as sub TT. USA or even israel is more suitable(or maybe even germany, but the best is USA right now)

 

 

I really don't see what you mean Italy already has 3 Turkish vehicles. Usa is a huge TT and same with Germany. And Israel just sucks. you probably said this because you have premiums in America so you could grind faster. And I believe Italy has the most joint programs with turkey.  

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11 hours ago, modern_primat said:

altay is not even yet mass produced, altay shouldnt be in possible turkish (sub)TT, right now.

 

  I've said, and will say it again, it is not relevant at all.

 

11 hours ago, modern_primat said:

there is no way to put turkey in italy as sub TT. USA or even israel is more suitable(or maybe even germany, but the best is USA right now)

 

  Neither Italy or US has any claims on Turkish vehicles whatsoever, Israel is the only tech tree slightly makes sense due to historical defence industry ties, even then it is only one tank. US-made vehicles are deployed by pretty much every NATO allied nations, it does not make them viable.

 

3 hours ago, GenOfGames07 said:

I really don't see what you mean Italy already has 3 Turkish vehicles. Usa is a huge TT and same with Germany. And Israel just sucks. you probably said this because you have premiums in America so you could grind faster. 

 

  Italian claims are even weaker than US ones, Italy got T129 in conclusion they should receive every other Turkish vehicle, Is that really your argument ? 

 

3 hours ago, GenOfGames07 said:

And I believe Italy has the most joint programs with turkey.  

 

  I doubt that.

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2 hours ago, Dewastor said:

Neither Italy or US has any claims on Turkish vehicles whatsoever, Israel is the only tech tree slightly makes sense due to historical defence industry ties, even then it is only one tank. US-made vehicles are deployed by pretty much every NATO allied nations, it does not make them viable.

sherman, sturart, jackson, chaffee, m47, m48, m41, m60.... half of army(or more) is US...

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  Today first two units of Altay with Korean powepack delivered to Turkish Armed Forces. Interestingly, there was third Altay present at the far back, it is probably the test bed for BMC Power's BATU engine. Total number of Altay in latest configuration is currently at least 4, but number could be as high as 6 if the two delivered machines are modernised Otokar prototypes. If so, there would be two modernised Otokar prototypes, and four BMC prototypes.

 

Here you can see them:

 

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  There is also another Altay in production line with desert camouflage: 

 

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  Another angle with two other Altay in production line:

 

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  As of today, there is at least 4 Altay in latest configuration; 1 in Desert Camouflage and 3 in Green/Woodland Camouflage. We do not know if above 2 prototypes in green camouflage are different from the ones delivered to TAF or not, so we can conclude the number is at least 4. I believe left on is fitted with BATU engine, but cannot say for sure.

 

  From different angle, this one is fitted with BATU, on its side desert camouflaged Altay sits:

 

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  You can read "BMC Power" on the side of the engine:

 

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  BATU is fitted to engine bay:

 

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On 22/04/2023 at 01:56, modern_primat said:

there is no way to put turkey in italy as sub TT. USA or even israel is more suitable(or maybe even germany, but the best is USA right now)


We have no ties to Israel besides M60T and F-4E Terminatör.

 

On 22/04/2023 at 01:56, modern_primat said:

azerbaijan dont have enough "unique" vehicles for a TT, but it has place in soviets or in a combined TT(or just put azeri camos in soviet vehicles, lol. i dont know no azeri vehicles that produced or designed by themself at all). also azerbaijan is literally an ex-soviet, which mean turkey and azerbaijan has no similarities for military. 


We have no Azerbaijani vehicles in Turkish tree as a sub-tree, but saying "turkey and azerbaijan has no similarities for military" does not make sense at all. Azerbaijan uses Turkish combat drones such as TB2, AKINCI and will probably expand to TB3 and KIZILELMA, TAI also modernized Azerbaijani Su-25 aircraft to use Turkish air to ground armament.

 

On 22/04/2023 at 01:56, modern_primat said:

altay is not even yet mass produced, altay shouldnt be in possible turkish (sub)TT, right now.


Mass production is not required for a vehicle to be implemented, if we consider the amount of imaginary vehicles that didn't even pass planning stage in game.

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An incomplete Turkish concept tree with an Indonesian sub-tree. I did this as a way to shore up some of Turkey's gaps. Just wanted some friendly opinion/feedback on it because Turkey and Indonesia are strategic partners whose defense industry routinely cooperates. FNSS and PT Pindad and other companies sometimes team up for projects with there most famous being the Harimau Hitam MT a.k.a. Kaplan MT. Both nations also have some cross overs of vehicles in use, just modified. So, why not try them together and see what happens since sub-tree's are all the rage nowadays. A unique spin. Indonesian vehicles marked with the letters "RI". There are plenty of other Turkish/Indonesian vehicles that could be added such as more Altay variants or a Pindad Badak with the Skyranger turret. Again, just an idea that's far from complete, that's it. Just a goofy experiment to try and think outside the box . The only thing I'm hurting on is a Rank IV medium tank. I've looked between the two nations trying to find maybe an M4A2/A3 (76), or anything but so far no luck. 

 

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Edit: Marking confused isn't of any help if you don’t follow up with a comment stating why :facepalm:

 

A partial list of vehicles Indonesia has can be found here:

Announcements of joint projects and purchases:

 

 

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On 04/03/2023 at 15:16, Buzx said:

 

 

 

 

 

Dewastor you are doing great job here,please keep going.

Maybe a mod replace this one with first post?


Thanks! We're glad you liked our project, but we've implemented more things to the tree which will be posted really soon! Feel free to join our server for further info and see our discussions :)

 

On 30/04/2023 at 10:59, Yontzee said:

An incomplete Turkish concept tree with an Indonesian sub-tree. I did this as a way to shore up some of Turkey's gaps. Just wanted some friendly opinion/feedback on it because Turkey and Indonesia are strategic partners whose defense industry routinely cooperates. FNSS and PT Pindad and other companies sometimes team up for projects with there most famous being the Harimau Hitam MT a.k.a. Kaplan MT. Both nations also have some cross overs of vehicles in use, just modified. So, why not try them together and see what happens since sub-tree's are all the rage nowadays. A unique spin. Indonesian vehicles marked with the letters "RI". There are plenty of other Turkish/Indonesian vehicles that could be added such as more Altay variants or a Pindad Badak with the Skyranger turret. Again, just an idea that's far from complete, that's it. Just a goofy experiment to try and think outside the box . The only thing I'm hurting on is a Rank IV medium tank. I've looked between the two nations trying to find maybe an M4A2/A3 (76), or anything but so far no luck. 

 

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Edit: Marking confused isn't of any help if you don’t follow up with a comment stating why :facepalm:

 

A partial list of vehicles Indonesia has can be found here:

Announcements of joint projects and purchases:

 

 


That seems like a neat idea, ngl. We have implemented a larger Turkish tree, and we are looking forward for your knowledge about Turkish vehicles used by Indonesia in in our server!

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