Turkish Ground Forces Tech Tree

[lLiberté 345]

20 hours ago, Yontzee said:

Korkut

The Korkut Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft vehicle capable of firing all 35mm NATO ammunition as well as the Turkish ATOM Airburst round. If I'm not mistaken, can also equip Stinger missiles as well. This thing would absolutely shred all types of vehicles, especially if it was given FAPDS-T rounds. It would be limited on mobility however, as it still uses a modified M113 platform that can only use so much extra addon armor due to suspension limitations. 

 

Easy 9.7+ if given FAPDS-T rounds, ATOM rounds, and Stingers.

 

I really want to see this added to the game. This and a standard Gepard 1A2 (w/ LRF) that can use the deadly FAPDS-T rounds. 

 

  It more of Gerard equivalent than 1A2, there is no mention of MANPADS in any official sources nor any photographical evidence from the field, wikipedia is the only place where MANPADS mentioned even that has not sources to back it up. 

 

  So I would say 8.0-8.3 is appropriate, ACV-AD is not exactly a superior platform only thing it has over Gerard is that it has amphibious capabilities and it is only slightly better in firepower department thanks to ATOM round. 

 

1 hour ago, GuyCBRN said:

As a subtree or multiple nation tree yes. But as independent tree, nope.

 

  Why do you think that way may I ask ? 

 

 

[eleks12 1,079]

25 minutes ago, Yontzee said:

I agree. I’d like to see it as it’s own tree but as a sub-tree, the only nation that has the room for a sub-tree like Turkey is Israel. That’s not my opinion, it’s just realistically the only one that could fit (most of) Turkey right now. 

 

Turkey can work as well as a "Minor Independent Tech Tree" if it gets the Isreal treatment.

 

It's gonna have massive issues with holes in it's BR brackets. And if Turkish Rank 1 to 4 is added. It's gonna have to deal with alot of copy paste... And thats before we start talking about Air and Naval.

[Yontzee 1,673]

5 minutes ago, Dewastor said:

 

  It more of Gerard equivalent than 1A2, there is no mention of MANPADS in any official sources nor any photographical evidence from the field, wikipedia is the only place where MANPADS mentioned even that has not sources to back it up. 

 

  So I would say 8.0-8.3 is appropriate, ACV-AD is not exactly a superior platform only thing it has over Gerard is that it has amphibious capabilities and it is only slightly better in firepower department thanks to ATOM round. 

Gotcha on the MANPADS. I’m not familiar with this vehicle all to well. For the main armament, if it gets FAPDS-T belts which from my understanding are carried by many countries vice standard AP nowadays, it would fair very well. FAPDS-T can absolutely shred both ground and air targets and has higher velocity, and if given a sufficient amount, could imo sit probably at 9.0. That BR is including the ATOM rounds. I’m not familiar if Turkey uses the FAPDS-T as a default round though. 
 

If using standard AP, HEI, and ATOM, probably 8.3-8.7 since the ATOM would do well in the AD department.

6 minutes ago, eleks12 said:

 

Turkey can work as well as a "Minor Independent Tech Tree" if it gets the Isreal treatment.

 

It's gonna have massive issues with holes in it's BR brackets. And if Turkish Rank 1 to 4 is added. It's gonna have to deal with alot of copy paste... And thats before we start talking about Air and Naval.

I support Turkey as an independent tree more than I do as a sub-tree. I think it should start at Rank IV because of the copy and paste and I made a rough tech tree of this in the earlier comments.

 

If Turkey were to be added now, I just see Israel as the only nation that needs a sub-tree right now with Turkey having probably the best fit of it came down to it. 

Edited January 25, 2023 by Yontzee

[lLiberté 345]

Just now, Yontzee said:

Gotcha on the MANPADS. I’m not familiar with this vehicle all to well. For the main armament, if it gets FAPDS-T belts which from my understanding are carried by many countries vice standard AP nowadays, it would fair very well. FAPDS-T can absolutely shred both ground and air targets and has higher velocity, and if given a sufficient amount, could imo sit probably at 9.0. That BR is including the ATOM rounds. I’m not familiar if Turkey uses the FAPDS-T as a default round though. 

 

  I don't think rounds being in inventory or not makes that much difference in auto cannons since it is pretty hard to track unlike higher calibers, so FAPDS-T could be an option. Especially considering Turkey has been operating 35mm KDC for quite some time there is a chance that Turkey bought it at least for the tests. 

 

  My opinion that it should be around 8.0-3 is purely for game play purposes, there is no other auto cannon purpose built SPAAG for TT. Only other two options are on 4x4 platform, one is armed with M134 Minigun with laser guided rocket CİRİT other one armed with VENOM LR 30 (probably with optical tracking). They are not exactly bad vehicles but would not be exact solutions and their BR would not be that high, first one would sit somewhere 7.0-7.3 while second 7.7-8.0.

 

Said vehicles are: 

 

Ejder Yalçın 4x4 SARP-L

 

 

 

Ejder Yalçın 4x4 TRAKON-30

 

 

 

16 minutes ago, eleks12 said:

 

Turkey can work as well as a "Minor Independent Tech Tree" if it gets the Isreal treatment.

 

It's gonna have massive issues with holes in it's BR brackets. And if Turkish Rank 1 to 4 is added. It's gonna have to deal with alot of copy paste... And thats before we start talking about Air and Naval.

 

  That's exactly how I envision, otherwise TT would be plagued with BR gaps and immense amount of copy-paste vehicle and not to mention non-existing line-ups for some brackets. Air is already bare minimum even if its consists of only high tier vehicles like Israeli TT, so low-tiers are no-go for me too. 

[eleks12 1,079]

4 minutes ago, Yontzee said:

I support Turkey as an independent tree more than I do as a sub-tree. I think it should start at Rank IV because of the copy and paste and I made a rough tech tree of this in the earlier comments.

 

If Turkey were to be added now, I just see Israel as the only nation that needs a sub-tree right now with Turkey having probably the best fit of it came down to it. 

 

If Turkey is to be added to the game. I can only see it as a minor Tech Tree like Isreal.

 

Being a Sub-Tree for current major nations don't really fit from a historical narative.

 

Unlike South Africa for the UK Tree. Or the ancient history and shared culture of Sweden/Finland. Turkey simply don't have any of it for the major nations ingame.

 

But Turkey is also not the only minor independent tech tree worth considering. Alot of People and im sure want to see the Korean, Arabs, Indians and other minor locket independent tree's added to the game where Air, Ground and Naval can be added.

[Mahiwew 528]

I’m surprised how positive fans of the Turkish tree concept are towards having it added in Israeli style. 

You’d think it’d be a controversial opinion .

[Yontzee 1,673]

1 hour ago, eleks12 said:

 

If Turkey is to be added to the game. I can only see it as a minor Tech Tree like Isreal.

 

Being a Sub-Tree for current major nations don't really fit from a historical narative.

 

Unlike South Africa for the UK Tree. Or the ancient history and shared culture of Sweden/Finland. Turkey simply don't have any of it for the major nations ingame.

 

But Turkey is also not the only minor independent tech tree worth considering. Alot of People and im sure want to see the Korean, Arabs, Indians and other minor locket independent tree's added to the game where Air, Ground and Naval can be added.

The problem I see (and I’m looking at Gaijin’s prospective not my own) is that Gaijin is going to likely throw a sub-tree in with Israel to bring out more l interest into it. There really isn’t many options for different types of sub-trees for Israel other than a possible Turkish sub-tree. They don’t look as much into the historical side (the do to a degree of course) but more or less focus on what tree is in need of what. Like with Germany they added Argentina mainly for the TAM’s/Light vehicles, and they added South Africa/Finland to Britain/Sweden to shore up there different ranks because they thought those two nations had a lack of vehicle problem. That’s what I think might happen. I don’t want that but idk. 
 

I personally want an independent Turkish tree at Rank IV.
 

1 hour ago, Dewastor said:

 

  I don't think rounds being in inventory or not makes that much difference in auto cannons since it is pretty hard to track unlike higher calibers, so FAPDS-T could be an option. Especially considering Turkey has been operating 35mm KDC for quite some time there is a chance that Turkey bought it at least for the tests.  

To me, the Gepard and Marksman for example can tear through vehicles with its DM23. Even top rank MBT and such but is obviously limited on ammo. FAPDS-T (or similar rounds) have become more of a mainstream/primary armament over standard AP. The belts are similar to DM23 and also include a fragmentation effect which allows it to better engage air targets at higher velocities, create strong spalling, as well as still punch through some degree of armor, and if given more than just one belt (which likely it would since its used as an AA round), would be nasty. Especially since both autocannons are side by side, offers more of a concentrated fire. Essentially turning the vehicle into an effective glass cannon, able to sufficiently target air tracks and use its FAPDS rounds in self-defense against ground targets/modules as well as a secondary AA round. That’s just my opinion but idk if it’s used or not. 

Edited January 25, 2023 by Yontzee

[eleks12 1,079]

12 minutes ago, Yontzee said:

The problem I see (and I’m looking at Gaijin’s prospective not my own) is that Gaijin is going to likely throw a sub-tree in with Israel to bring out more l interest into it. There really isn’t many options for different types of sub-trees for Israel other than a possible Turkish sub-tree. They don’t look as much into the historical side (the do to a degree of course) but more or less focus on what tree is in need of what. Like with Germany they added Argentina mainly for the TAM’s/Light vehicles, and they added South Africa/Finland to Britain/Sweden to shore up there different ranks because they thought those two nations had a lack of vehicle problem. That’s what I think might happen. I don’t want that but idk. 

 

They said in a Q/A over a year ago that one of the trees they are looking at implementing after Isreal is Korea.

[Yontzee 1,673]

15 minutes ago, eleks12 said:

 

They said in a Q/A over a year ago that one of the trees they are looking at implementing after Isreal is Korea.

Yeah but they change there thinking all the time  so many things they said they would do but changed there minds.

[lLiberté 345]

2 hours ago, Yontzee said:

 

I personally want an independent Turkish tree at Rank IV.

 

 

  So do I

 

2 hours ago, Yontzee said:

 

To me, the Gepard and Marksman for example can tear through vehicles with its DM23. Even top rank MBT and such but is obviously limited on ammo. FAPDS-T (or similar rounds) have become more of a mainstream/primary armament over standard AP. The belts are similar to DM23 and also include a fragmentation effect which allows it to better engage air targets at higher velocities, create strong spalling, as well as still punch through some degree of armor, and if given more than just one belt (which likely it would since its used as an AA round), would be nasty. Especially since both autocannons are side by side, offers more of a concentrated fire. Essentially turning the vehicle into an effective glass cannon, able to sufficiently target air tracks and use its FAPDS rounds in self-defense against ground targets/modules as well as a secondary AA round. That’s just my opinion but idk if it’s used or not. 

 

  Oh there is no doubt about performance of FAPDS rounds, I'm not sure what kind of procedure Snail follows on autocannon rounds though. Again, having KORKUT at lower BRs serves better for TT as there are several other options, especially MANPADS carrying ones.

 

  I've forgot to mention that, there is one other purpose built that could be added to Turkish TT but I haven't made proper research about it, I'm not sure if its really build, so lo and behold:

 

Pars 8x8 Skyranger

 

  It is from an FNSS brochure, alongside this photo there is an Infograph and ACV with same turret, which I believe is %100 just a render, that's what makes me wonder if this one is actually real or just a render.

 

2 hours ago, eleks12 said:

 

They said in a Q/A over a year ago that one of the trees they are looking at implementing after Isreal is Korea.

 

  Which is another good candidate alongside Ukraine and Turkey, would not be too surprised.

 

Edited January 25, 2023 by Dewastor

[eleks12 1,079]

1 hour ago, Dewastor said:

 

 Which is another good candidate alongside Ukraine and Turkey, would not be too surprised.

 

 

No offence to people who want to see Ukraine as an independent tech tree. But IMO this vision is a Pipe Dream. Especially after the conflict that started last year.

Also consider the origin of War Thunder itself.

 

I would love to see Ukrainian vehicles in the game somehow. But i also want to be realistic about the chances and how and where the plausible place it could or would be implemented.

[Rambolf 371]

Apparently this is a MZK turret for the m60.... 105 bustle autoloader

 

Apparently it can be slapped on a T72 hull as well 

 

(think these are the round about stats, take them with a grain of salt I found this image on rreeddiitt)

Edited January 26, 2023 by Rambolf

[Rambolf 371]

(Double post)

Edited January 26, 2023 by Rambolf

[lLiberté 345]

On 26/01/2023 at 18:13, Rambolf said:

Apparently this is a MZK turret for the m60.... 105 bustle autoloader

 

 

  This came out of nowhere to be honest. We knew that there were plans to upgrade M60A3 tanks under TİYK and I was expecting revival of this package rather than completely new one. Honestly, I'm impressed, designing brand new turret was unexpected choice. ROKETSAN's recent works are just incredible. 

 

  There is approximately 600 of M60A3 and approximately 100 M60A1 in TAF inventory, those would be nice complimentary vehicles for Middle-East Campaigns. Still, retaining 105 is questionable choice but considering those chassis are decade olds, it is probably the best invest least sources as possible.

 

Another shot of the Turret:

 

Edited February 10, 2023 by Dewastor

[Rambolf 371]

I think this is the ERA test

[TR_GEN_TARIK_E 140]

 new modernization for turkish m60a3

auto loader for 105mm gun  3rd gen thermals new fire control systems composite turret armor TI ARMOR PACK (affective against kinetic and heat rounds) laser warning systems and auto firing of smoke 

 

On 26/01/2023 at 18:44, Dewastor said:

 

  This came out of nowhere to be honest. We knew that there were plans to upgrade M60A3 tanks under TİYK and I was expecting revival of this package rather than completely new one. Honestly, I'm impressed, designing brand new turret was unexpected choice. ROKETSAN's recent works are just incredible. 

 

  There is approximately 600 of M60A3 in TAF inventory, those would be nice complimentary vehicles for Middle-East Campaigns. Still, retaining 105 is questionable choice but considering those chassis are decade olds, it is probably the best invest least sources as possible.

 

Another shot of the Turret:

 

they can change it to 120mm gun but this tanks generally against for Syrian and Iranian t72 tanks so TAF has lots of ammo for them so they can change it if they need 120mm the turret design most probably gas ability to carry a 120mm gun right now 

[lLiberté 345]

3 hours ago, TR_GEN_TARIK_E said:

 

they can change it to 120mm gun but this tanks generally against for Syrian and Iranian t72 tanks so TAF has lots of ammo for them so they can change it if they need 120mm the turret design most probably gas ability to carry a 120mm gun right now 

 

  I doubt M60A3 modernisation would come with 120. Considering turret could be fitted with 125mm, it might be possible to fir 120mm too, though it would lose its bustle-autoloader. As you mentioned TAF supposedly has large stock of 105mm rounds, so 105mm would be their primary choice at least for now. 

 

  BMC today announced that they have plans to downsize BATU engine for M60A3 Modernisation, another modernisation goes down to drain I suppose . I had such hopes for M60A3s. They also announced that mock-up of BATU is fitted to Altay to see how well it fits, within few months Batu and BMC made transmission will be combined to create their own power pack. Another point, all the rights of the BATU belongs to SSB/DIA not BMC, so we may see new tender to built Altay's engines, I'm not sure if its bad news or good news.

 

 

[Hypouta 19]

ADD this 

[Mercenario54 339]

As a subtree for Israel would be nice 

[lLiberté 345]

On 12/02/2023 at 17:32, Hypouta said:

ADD this 

 

   We haven't seen this one in physical form yet, I was expecting to see it in IDEF but in current situation I'm not even sure if there will be one for this year. Although we haven't seen anything yet, we knew that was an M60A3 modernisation going on for some time under TİYK project, so we have filler vehicles for all three tanks of this project, M60A3, Leopard and M60TM, in our Turkish TT Project.

 

 

Edited February 13, 2023 by Dewastor

[Rambolf 371]

They've defo made some form of the turret just how much is the question 

[Hypouta 19]

16 hours ago, Mercenario54 said:

作为以色列的子树会很好

yes  I THINK

[VizViz48 4]

still waiting

[K44NKTL06 0]

 We would like to see *T-155 Fırtına* in War Thunder Turkish Ground Forces Tech Tree.  ☾☆

[lLiberté 345]

 Turkish Ground Forces Tech Tree 

                                                                                                    Thunder in the Sky, Tanker on the Ground 

 

  We have been working on finding a proper solution for implementation of Turkish Tech Tree to War Thunder and now with the addition of Israeli Tech Tree Gaijin gave us best possible way to work on. After the initial release of Israeli TT, I have started working on my own project but it was rather sloppy and nowhere near of being a proper tech tree. After sometime finally found people who also were working on their own, and with our collective efforts here we are now presenting first refined version of our Turkish Tech Tree Project, lo and behold:

 

 

Description

  The Turkish Tech Tree consists of 5 research branches just like any other tech tree in the game. We have focused on including in-service vehicles to Research Section as much as we can but to fill the gaps we took the liberty of adding prototypes, demonstrators, test-bed and some one-off vehicles so it safe to say the tech tree is mixture of in-service (or ex-service) vehicles and prototypes. Of course we reserved most of the prototypes/one-off vehicles to Premium Section, tried our best to not hinder the research section from any unique or interesting vehicles. Vehicles within the tree consists of combination of unique, modified or outright copy-paste vehicles, we do now that and uniqueness might be relative term, so please do not start any heat about this matter.

 

  Currently the Premium Section of the Tech Tree has four branches (its not like the number of branches are important), but in this version vehicles within fourth branches will not be revealed as we are still trying to work on them, we got some unique ideas about those vehicles and will be related one finalised. 

 

  For the time being, tech tree starts from Rank IV, much like Israeli counterpart, and has vehicles all the way down to the Rank VII and there are plans to move some vehicles up to Rank VIII once Gaijin introduces Rank VIII to Ground Forces. You should note that, tech tree is not finalised yet, some vehicles might be added, removed or moved within tech tree. Also more important note, take the BR arrangement of the vehicles with a grain (maybe with a pack ? lol) of salt since some of those vehicles are pretty modern machines and their specifications are classified (do not worry I'm not willing to leak any documents I swear) or do not have proper counterparts to decide fitting BR. You are very welcomed to states your opinion about BRs of vehicles as well as overall Tech Tree.

 

The Tech Tree

  As I've stated, tech tree consists of two main sections; Research and Premium (just like any other conventional trees), I'll provide photographs of vehicles, maybe a brief info and relevant suggestions links if they are exists. 

Research Section

Light Vehicle Branch

 

ACV-15 (Dragar) - 7.0

 

  ACV-15 with Nexter Systems' Dragar one-man turret armed with 25mm auto cannon. There are many similar vehicles to fill this spot but ACV-15 (Dragar) is, what I believe, the most numerous IFV within Turkish Armed Forces thus made it the research tree.

 

Spoiler

 

 

ACV-15 (NEFER) - 7.3

 

  Pretty new modernisation of existing ACV-15s, with NEFER Unmanned Turret System armed with 25mm auto cannon. Currently in service.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Arma 6x6  (LCTS 90MP) - 8.0

 

  Otokar's Arma 6x6 armed with Cockerill LCTS 90MP turret system. It is not in service and there is only one photograph from Otokar's testing grounds.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Kaplan-30 (TEBER) - 8.0

 

  FNSS' new generation IFV, Kaplan-30. Armed with FNSS TEBER remote controlled turret system with a 30mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Arma 6x6 (BOZOK-25) - 8.3

 

  Otokar's Arma 6x6 with BOZOK-25 one-man turret system, armed with 25mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

Spoiler

 

Forum Post

 

 

Arma 8x8 (CT-CV 105HP) - 9.0

 

  Otokar's Arma 8x8 with Cockerill CT-CV 105HP turret system. Currently not in service.

 

Spoiler

 

Forum Post

 

 

Arma 8x8 (KORHAN) - 9.0

 

  Otokar's Arma 8x8 with ASELSAN KORHAN turret system armed with 35mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

Spoiler

 

Forum Post

 

 

Tulpar Infantry Fighting Vehicle (MIZRAK-30) - 9.0

 

  Otokar's new generation IFV Tulpar with MIZRAK-30 unmanned turret system armed with 30mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

Spoiler

 

Forum Post

 

 

Arma 8x8 (MIZRAK-30) - 9.3

 

  Otokar's Arma 8x8 with with MIZRAK-30 unmanned turret system armed with 30mm auto cannon and has ability to mount L-UMTAS ATGMs. Currently not in service.

 

Spoiler

Without L-UMTAS

 

With L-UMTAS

 

Forum Post

 

 

Tulpar Light Tank - 9.7

 

  Otokar's Tulpar Light Tank with Cockerill 3105 turret system armed with autoloader 105mm cannon. Currently not in service.

 

Spoiler

 

Forum Post

 

 

Kaplan MMWT (Late) - 10.0 

 

  FNSS' Kaplan Kaplan MMWT/Light Tank with Cockerill 3105 turret system armed with autoloader 105mm cannon. Currently not in service. This one is IDEF 2019 prototype with PULAT APS, neither 2017 prototype nor the production version has APS system. 

 

Spoiler

 

Main Battle Tank Branch - I 

*This Branch starts with German made or supplied main battle tanks and followed by indigenous tank prototypes and upgrade packages.

 

M48A5C 2 - 7.3

 

  American made M48A5C 2, acquired from Germany since other branch does not really need it, it seemed fit here. No modifications or upgrade, base version.

 

Spoiler

 

 

M48T5 - 8.0

 

  Turkish M48's upgraded with the German packages in Turkey by 1st Main Maintenance Factory. Armed with  L7A3 105mm cannon, pretty much M48A2 G A2 in Turkish service. Saw limited service.

 

Spoiler

 

Forum Post

 

 

Leopard 1A1 - 8.3

 

  Regular Leopard 1A1 in Turkish service.

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Leopard 1A3T1 - 8.7

 

  Regular Leopard 1A3 except 1A3T1 is fitted with EMES-12A3 fire control system unlike 1A3s.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Leopard 2A4TR - 10.0

 

  Regular Leopard 2A4 in Turkish service, some sources dubs it as 2A4TR while some mention it as just 2A4. Currently in service.

 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Leopard 2A4T1 - 11.0

 

  Recent upgrade of existing Leopard 2A4s with ROKETSAN T1 Armor Package. Currently 40 vehicles being planned for this package, some delivered and in service.

 

Spoiler

 

Leopard 2A4 (TIYK) - 11.3

 

  On going modernisation project, no vehicle revealed yet. It is expected to be T1 with integrated with ASELSAN sub-systems and PULAT APS. 

 

 

Altay PV1 - 11.3

 

First detailed prototype of Altay Main Battle Tank, produced and tested under Phase-I of MİTÜP. Currently under development.

 

Spoiler

 

Forum Post

 

 

Altay PV2 (2017) - 11.3

 

  Second detailed prototype of Altay Main Battle Tank, produced and tested under Phase-I of MİTÜP. This version showcased in IDEF 2017 and has modified gun mantlet different from when it was first revealed in 2015, also received MOCAS camouflage. Currently under development.

 

Spoiler

 

Forum Post

 

 

Altay T1 (2019) - 11.7

 

  BMC's first iteration of T1 prototype, revealed in IDEF 2019. It received ASELSAN's AKKOR APS and has additional armor. Currently under development.

 

Spoiler

 

Forum Post

Pending

 

Altay T1 (2021) - 11.7

 

  BMC's second iteration of  T1 prototype, revealed in IDEF 2021. It is fitted ASELSAN's AKKOR APS and has additional armor. 2021 iteration's turret design/turret armor scheme slightly redesigned. Currently under development.

 

Spoiler

 

Forum Post

 

Main Battle Tank Branch - II 

*This Branch starts with American made or supplied main battle tanks and followed by indigenous tank prototypes and upgrade packages.

 

M41 - 6.0 (Reserve)

 

  Regular M61 in Turkish service. Some 100 M41s supplied to Turkey between 1959 and 1960.

 

 

M47 - 7.3

 

  Regular M47 in Turkish service.

 

Spoiler

 

 

M48A1 - 7.3

 

  Regular M48A1 in Turkish service.

 

Spoiler

 

M48A5T1 - 8.0

 

  Turkish M48's upgraded with the American packages in Turkey by 1st Main Maintenance Factory. Armed with M68E1 105mm cannon, received new M19 fire-control system, passive night vision, AVDS-1790-2C RISE diesel engine and fitted with M19 cupola. In storage, some used as training vehicles.

 

Spoiler

 

 

M48A5T2 - 8.3

 

  Further upgrade of M48A5T2s Turkey by 1st Main Maintenance Factory. Its M19 fire-control system upgraded to M21, received laser range finder and TTS thermal sights. Also M19 cupolas are changed with low-visibility ones. Currently in limited service.

 

Spoiler

 

 

M60A1 RISE - 8.3

 

  Regular M60A1 in Turkish service.  In storage, some used as training vehicles.

 

Spoiler

 

 

M60A3 TTS - 8.7

 

  Regular M60A3 TTS in Turkish service. Currently in service.

 

Spoiler

 

M60A3T1 - 9.3

 

  M60A3T1 (not an official designation) was a modernisation project. It received additional armor and ASELSAN sub-system but retains its 105mm cannon. It greatly resembles M60T in its shape. At least two prototypes were built and tested but due to unsatisfactory results, package was cancelled. 

 

Spoiler

 

Forum Post

 

 

M60A3 (TIYK) - 9.7

 

  On going modernisation project, no vehicle revealed yet. Severals options for this package, will be updated with the reveal of the vehicle.

 

 

M60T - 10.0

 

  Extensive modernisation of Turkish M60A1 with the cooperation of IMI and 2nd Main Maintenance Center Command. M60A1 received IMI MG253 120mm L/44 cannon, a new armor package and much powerful engine. Currently in service, upgraded to M60TM standard.

 

Spoiler

 

Forum Post

 

 

M60TM - 10.0

 

  M60TM Main Battle Tank is further modernization of M60T with the experiences gained from Operation Euphrates Shield (Fırat Kalkanı Harekatı). Under the modernisation, M60T's received numerous ASELSAN made sub-systems including; LWR, Close Range Surveillance System, SARP Remote Controlled Weapon Station and TEPES Telescopic Periscope System. Some units received PULAT APS while some not, both versions are in service and used in operations.

 

Spoiler

 

Forum Post

 

 

M60TM (PULAT) - 10.3

 

  M60TM Main Battle Tank is further modernization of M60T with the experiences gained from Operation Euphrates Shield (Fırat Kalkanı Harekatı). Under the modernisation, M60T's received numerous ASELSAN made sub-systems including; LWR, Close Range Surveillance System, SARP Remote Controlled Weapon Station and TEPES Telescopic Periscope System. Some units received PULAT APS while some not, both versions are in service and used in operations.

 

Spoiler

 

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M60TM (TIYK) - 10.7

 

On going modernisation project, no vehicle revealed yet. It is said to receive either new armor package or change aging armor units and serial integration of VOLKAN-M fire control system. Probably PULAT will be integrated remaining vehicles which did not received them initially. 

 

 

Altay AHT - 11.7

 

  Altay AHT is the urban-warfare version of Altay and one of the last prototypes ever developed by Otokar. It received additional armor, smoke launchers and a dozer blade. Although it lacks AKKOR APS, it appears to be even more heavily armored than BMC's T1s.  Currently under development.

 

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Anti-Aircraft  Branch - II 

M42A1 - 4.7

 

  Regular M42A1 in Turkish service. In limited service.

 

 

Cobra I 4x4 (20mm/P20) - 6.0

 

  Otokar Cobra I 4x4 with NEXTER P20 remote controlled weapon platform. Currently not in service.

 

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Ejder Yalçın 4x4 (SARP-L) - 7.0

 

  Nurol Makina's Ejder Yalçın 4x4 with ASELSAN's SARP-L remotely controlled stabilized weapon system armed with M134 Minigun and Cirri missiles. Currently not in service.

 

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Ejder YALÇIN 4x4 (TRAKON 30) - 8.0

 

  Nurol Makina's Ejder Yalçın 4x4 with UNIROBOTICS TRAKON 30 remotely controlled stabilized weapon system armed with 30mm auto cannon. Currently not in service.

 

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KORKUT - 8.3

 

  KORKUT is a Turkish self-propelled anti-air gun with twin-35mm auto cannon. KORKUT is combination of FNSS' ACV-AD platform and ASELSAN's turret system. It has ability to fire 35mm ATOM Airburst Rounds. Currently in service.

 

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Zıpkın PMSS - 9.3

 

  Zıpkın PMSS is Defender 130 with ASELSAN Zıpkın pedestal mounted stinger system. Currently in service.

 

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Atılgan PMSS - 9.7

 

  Zıpkın PMSS is M113 with ASELSAN Atılgan pedestal mounted stinger system. Currently in service.

 

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There is also rare prototype, based on ACV-15 instead of M113.

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Vuran 4x4 (SUNGUR) - 10.0

 

  BMC's Vuran 4x4 with ROKETSAN SUNGUR air defence missile system. There is two version of it, one with 4-tubes and one with 6-tubes, both appears to be in operation service.

 

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4-Tube Launcher

 

6-Tube Launcher

 

 

HİSAR-A - 11.3

 

  HİSAR-A is a short range air defence system based on FNSS' ACV-AD platform. Currently in service.

 

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Tank Destroyer Branch 

M36B2 - 5.7

 

  Regular M36B2 in Turkish service.

 

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M44T - 6.7

 

  Modernised M44 with 155mm cannon and MB 833 engine. 

 

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M52T - 7.0

 

  Modernised M44 with 155mm L/39 cannon, new fire control system, MB 833 engine and received fully enclosed turret.

 

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T-155 Fırtına I - 7.3

 

  T-155 Fırtına is localised version of Korean K-9 Thunder self-propelled gun. Currently in service

 

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T-155 Fırtına II - 7.7

 

  T-155 Fırtına II is modernised version of Fırtına I. It received fully electrical turret system, new fire control system and ASELSAN made RCWS. Currently in service.

 

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Cobra I 4x4 (TOW) - 7.7

 

  Otokar Cobra I 4x4 with TOW ATGM launcher. Currently not in service.

 

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M113 (TOW) - 8.0

 

  M113 (probably M113A3) armed with TOW ATGM launcher. Currently in service.

 

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ACV-15 (TUA) - 8.0 

 

  ACV-15 with TOW-Under-the-Armor ATGM system. Currently in service.

 

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ACV-19 LGM-V - 9.0

 

  FNSS' ACV-19 with ROKETSAN Dual-Cirit Pod armed with 8 Cirri missiles. Currently in service.

 

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Pars 4x4 ARCT - 10.0

 

  FNSS' Pars 4x4 platform with ARCT ATGM system. Pars 4x4 platform was chosen for Turkish Army's STA (Weapon Carrier Vehicle) Tender alongside FNSS' Kaplan platform. Currently in service. Problem with this vehicle, its top missile would be OMTAS ATGM which is a fire-and-forget missile. Currently in War Thunder there is only one example of such missile on a helicopter. I'm not sure how it would fare on a ground vehicle, considering slow speed of L-UMTAS currently in game, it might not be that overpowered. Considering more and more tanks with APS getting added, this could find its way to tech tree. Another option would be limiting this vehicle with Kornet-E missiles. 

 

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Kaplan ARCT - 10.3

 

  FNSS' Kaplan-10 platform with ARCT ATGM system. Kaplan-10 platform was chosen for Turkish Army's STA (Weapon Carrier Vehicle) Tender alongside FNSS' Pro 4x4 platform. Currently in service. Problem with this vehicle, its top missile would be OMTAS ATGM which is a fire-and-forget missile. Currently in War Thunder there is only one example of such missile on a helicopter. I'm not sure how it would fare on a ground vehicle, considering slow speed of L-UMTAS currently in game, it might not be that overpowered. Considering more and more tanks with APS getting added, this could find its way to tech tree. Another option would be limiting this vehicle with Kornet-E missiles. 

 

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Kaplan TMLS - 11.3

 

FNSS' Kaplan-10 platform with ROKETSAN TMLS (Tactical Missile Launching System). TMLS, unlike ARCT, is a modular system and offers different armament options and combinations. TMLS has ability to carry and fire Cirit, OMTAS, UMTAS and L-UMTAS missiles in different configuration. System could be configured to carry 8x Cirit Missile, 4x Cirit & 2x OMTAS/L-UMTAS/UMTAS or 4 OMTAS/L-UMTAS/UMTAS. This vehicle also has same problem with ARCT platforms, fire-and-forget missiles. Solution is similar to above, Gaijin simply could lock fire-and-forget missile and allow system to be configured with only Cirit and L-UMTAS missiles. Currently in service.

 

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8x Cirit Configuration 

 

4x Cirit & 2 OMTAS/L-UMTAS/UMTAS Configuration

 

All Three Configuration (First One, 4x OMTAS/L-UMTAS/UMTAS Configuration)

 

 

 

 

Edited March 3, 2023 by Dewastor