Posted May 9, 2023 i think the Meteor also deserves its own post as the primary long range weaponry of the 3 Eurocanards but I haven't really looked into that too much yet so I'm lacking sources. @MBDA_Meteor do you have any to share? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 11, 2022 (edited) The German Eurofighter Typhoon This thread is for gathering information about the German 'version' of the Eurofighter. Discussing it, its performance and its weapons in general including sharing pictures is more than welcome. As such, this post is a WIP(!) Short summary: The Eurofighter is a single seat, all weather multi/swing/omni-role fighter jet. Its Deltawing + Foreplane airframe configuration makes it naturally incredibly unstable resulting in great maneuverability but also gives it great supersonic characteristics. The two EJ-200 EuroJet engines produce a combined thrust of 180kN with afterburner, allowing the Eurofighter to reach speeds of up to mach 2.35 and supercruise at speeds of up to mach 1.5(depending on drag). This excessive thrust results in it being capable of climbing vertically while accelerating and sustaining 9Gs in a turn. (for more information you can read suggestions for other tech trees as this post is to gather information about the German version specifically and not the development history: Eurofighter Typhoon F.Mk 2 - "Power, Speed and Outrageous Agility") There's also a Germany specific suggestions: Y'know what, I'll add some general information that might not be well known: ITSPL or Integrated Tip Stub Pylon Launcher Spoiler These launchers are installed on the outer most pylon of the Eurofighter's wings. They cannot be removed and are bolted to the aircraft and not meant to be taken off. They are also strictly for the use of SRAAM(not the British one but Short Range Air to Air Missiles in general) and the AISPOD(which is a NATO training pod). It contains a BOL countermeasure pod like the Harrier GR.7 or the JA 37D(in the outer rails). It can be fitted with chaff and BOL-IR flare packets. This is the reason for why you'll sometimes see Eurofighters with nothing but these 2 rails(sometimes even without missiles). APU Spoiler If you've ever wondered why the Eurofighter has an opening on the left wing where the wing meets the fuselage and why the fuselage above it is often dirty, well: It's the APU's exhaust. The intake is right under the wing in the fuselage but a bit in front of the exhaust and covered by a motorized flap so its only visible during startup. F-35 MADL compatibility Spoiler In 2017 an RAF Eurofighter Typhoon had demonstrated the capability to communicate with an F-35 using its "Stealth" datalink(MADL). This datalink is essentially an extension of the Link 16 and can transmit a lot more information than the typical Link 16 or MIDS. Being able to communicate via this datalink allows for tighter integration with the F-35 and thus also improving the sensor fusion. It would also allow for a better "missile truck" sort of mission where there is an F-35 operating further forward and a Eurofighter with a bunch of missiles operating out of the range of enemy air defenses and using the F-35's sensors to employ its own weapons. Spoiler https://news.northropgrumman.com/news/releases/northrop-grumman-and-royal-air-force-demonstrate-enhanced-airborne-communications-interoperability-between-5th-and-4th-generation-fast-jet-aircraft Towed Radar Decoy(TRD) Spoiler The Eurofighter carries 2 towed decoys in its right wingtip pod. These decoys are part of the EuroDASS and basically act as a jammer/target for missiles to lock onto instead of the Eurofighter itself. The decoys are attached to the Eurofighter via a 100m long Kevlar cable which contains a fibre optic cable for data transfer. According to the manufacturer it's capable of handling speeds of up to Mach 2 and maneuvers from -3 to +9g (most if not all of the Eurofighter's flight envelope) Eurofighter helmet(including HMD), HMSS Spoiler The Eurofighter, like most modern fighter jets, has a sophisticated helmet. This helmet contains audio equipment like microphones and speakers, a visor and similar equipment. It also includes a Helmet Mounted Display(HMD) which allows the pilot to look outside the cockpit and still get essential flight data, like speed, altitude, AoA, etc, while being able to cue weapon systems and slave the radar. This helmet, however, also allows the pilot to target and prioritize targets below and even behind the aircraft through the usage of datalink and sensors on the aircraft(Radar and Missile Warning System). The pilot's head position and rotation is tracked via those small bumps on the helmet. They contain an IR LED which cameras pick up(you can see one right next to the canopy bow in the picture above, there's another one on the other side and there should also be one on top of the seat). This helmet is easily wrongly assumed to be the BAE Striker II helmet but it's not. The Striker II is typically in black, has a larger camera like lens at the front and doesn't have provisions for mounting NVG because that feature is integrated. It is officially known as the HMSS or Helmet Mounted Symbology System According to the Bundeswehr, the Luftwaffe operates 138 Eurofighters(this number varies a lot for some reason but its what the Bundeswehr says sooo). Weapons(only the ones that Germany uses) IRIS-T Spoiler This is an IR guided, highly maneuverable short-ish range missile developed by multiple European countries. It was built to fit on AIM-9L rails and work with AIM-9L software. It's thus possible to install this on any 9L, 9M(and maybe 9X, I dont know what kind of rail or software that has) capable aircraft with no additional software or hardware modifications required. Eurofighter Typhoon is capable of using the digital interface and thus capable of launching at targets(be it missiles or aircraft) behind itself. Meteor Spoiler This is a medium to long range active radar homing missile similar to the AMRAAM except that it uses a solid fuel, air breathing ramjet engine instead of a rocket motor, resulting in a much larger "No Escape Zone" AIM-9L/I Spoiler AIM-9Li is an AIM-9L with an upgraded seeker for better countermeasure rejection The Eurofighter is also capable of carrying regular AIM-9Ls AIM-120 AMRAAM Spoiler medium range active radar homing missile - GBU-54 Spoiler GPS, INS and Laser guided 500Lbs bomb, "LJDAM" GBU-48 Spoiler Laser, GPS and INS guided 1000Lbs bomb Taurus KEPD 350(ongoing/completed) Spoiler Long range guided and powered cruise missile/bomb with bunker penetrating warhead Brimstone II (planned with ordered Tranche 4 - or already in use, unsure) Spoiler radar and/or laser guided ground attack missile (keep in mind that integrating new weapons, especially ones already in use on other Eurofighters, shouldn't be a lengthy process so on a pure technical basis, it should be able to use the weapons that other Eurofighters carry.) Avionics Notible differences to other Eurofighters include: Lack of the PIRATE IRST on *most* German Eurofighters Spoiler GAF Eurofighter RAF(allegedly) Eurofighter you should be able to spot the IRST system on the nose there(the black circle) Germany allegedly retains the right to install this system on their fighters if they deem it necessary(some still have it to this day) No rear MWS on very early models Spoiler in the rear, between the engines and above the parachute door, there is a little stub. The rear MWS antenna goes there and it is not present on some GAF Eurofighter models(and Austrian ones) but this should be a limited number due to Germany not being part of the EuroDASS consortium initially. That seems to have been a lie, Germany re-joined the programme in 1995, years before the Eurofighter entered service with the German Air Force UPDATE!!! It would appear that most Tranche 1 Eurofighters have been UPGRADED and have the rear MWS radar so it SHOULD also get this in game. Older Tranche 2 and 3 aircraft are being fitted with the new Mk1 CAPTOR-E AESA radar thats also being used in the newest Tranche 4 aircraft Spoiler new Mk1 radar ECR-90, aka one of the M-Scan CAPTOR models(idk too much about that yet) German Development, Pre-production and other variants/units DA1 Spoiler The DA1 was the first development Eurofighter and was built by DASA. It was used to develop flight control systems and initially flew with RB 199 Mk.104E(also known as RB199-122) which are based on the Tornado's engines. It was later fitted with EJ200-Series-03Z engines when those were available. It was also used to for IRIS-T integration and had its last flight on the 21st of December 2005. After some research it would appear that this aircraft lacked countermeasures and other DASS(or Defensive Aid Sub System, so basically RWR, ECM, MWS and IFF) systems. It also appears to have lacked a radar because the first Eurofighter with a radar was the DA5. DA5 Spoiler The DA5 is another German development unit but was, unlike the DA1, built by EADS Deutschland in Manching. It was the first Eurofighter to fly with the new ECR-90 radar and with a full avionics suite. It was also used for testing radar absorbent materials and for further avionics/software testing with Autopilot and Autothrust changes. Additionally, it was used for AMRAAM and AIM-9L integration in addition to IRIS-T testing in 2004. IPA3 Spoiler The IPA3(Reg 98-02 because its not visible in this picture) is a pre-production unit, built by EADS Deutschland and a two-seater. It was used for Paveway II integration and Litening III flight tests. It's said to have carried the heaviest load out of all the Eurofighters IPA7 Spoiler The IPA7 is also a pre-production unit and was the first Eurofighter to fly with the Tranche-2 standard. It was used for 500Lbs Paveway testing, MAW system testing and since 2012 also for software testing. in late 2013 it was first used to test Taurus compatibility with the Eurofighter and in 2014 was first used with 2 Taurus(KEPD 350). This is also the Eurofighter that was used to test the AMK or Aerodynamic Modification Kit which is said to greatly increase the Eurofighter's maneuverability and especially AoA capabilities. Unfortunately, no one has bought this modification kit *yet*. IPA8 Spoiler The IPA8 is the last "Instrumented Production Aircraft" in service with the German airforce. It is up to Tranche-3 standard and carries a prototype of the CAPTOR-E AESA radar. These IPA units are all "Instrumented Production Aircraft" meaning that they were taken from the regular production lines but fitted with telemetry instruments. They're all owned by NETMA (NATO EF 2000 and Tornado Development, Production & Logistics Management Agency). Eurofighter ECR Spoiler In November 2019 Airbus introduced a Eurofighter Electronic Combat Role(ECR) concept. Its purpose is to do Supression/Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses(SEAD/DEAD) for the purpose of protecting coalition forces. This variant would enlarge the Eurofighter's multirole capabilities and creatly improve its electronic warfare capabilities. It will have stronger jammers, improved emitter locating capabilities as well as weapons to take out enemy radar systems. Airbus and their partners came up with this concept to meet the GAF requirements for an airborne ECR platform. In March 2022 the Bundestag(German parliament) decided to buy 15 of these Eurofighter ECR variants to replace the aging Tornado ECR and meet the "Luftgestützte Wirkung im Elektromagnetischen Spektrum"(LuWES) requirements. Exact details about this platform aren't available but it is expected to be a two-seater and carry the SPEAR-EW anti radiation missile. This is unconfirmed but it's possible that the ECR is going to be using Hensoldt's Kaeltron Attack Jammer Pod as it's already in development and being tested at the moment. https://dam.hensoldt.net/m/234f80b8c0b265cc/original/Kalaetron-Attack-English.pdf Oh you wanted pictures? why yes of course i will add some :))) First, some fancy liveries: Spoiler Air Ambassador: Ghost Tiger Cyber Tiger Quadringa Tranche 4 Eurofighter 60 year anniversary Bronze Tiger Eagle Star Three Tigers of the Spanish, German(Ghost Tiger) and Italian(Mont de Marsan) air force. Can't find a name for the Spanish one but its from NTM 2018 some of my favorite. as you can tell, there's a lot. Sword of Boelke 60 Years Airbus Manching(i somehow can't find proper pictures anymore so here is a video) Spoiler This is also the Eurofighter that was tested or is still being tested with the Aerodynamic Modification Kit. You can see the wing root extension here you can also see some modifications to the ailerons Richthofen Geschwader 60th Anniversary Richthofen Geschwader(TaktLwG 71) regrouping(?) Steinhoff Geschwader 15 year Eurofighter anniversary Next some "regular" pictures: Spoiler And finally some drawings: Spoiler and here is a size comparison because why not This post is a work in progress so please help me fill it with more information (its also only the initial post so please excuse any mistakes, i'm tired ? ) Spoiler Sources: Ausrüstung und Bewaffnung der Bundeswehr https://www.bundeswehr.de/de/ausruestung-technik-bundeswehr/luftsysteme-bundeswehr/eurofighter Eurofighter Typhoon - Wikipedia Jane's all the world's aircraft 2007-2008 Diehl Defence Eurofighter Jagtflugzeug GmbH Airbus https://eurodass.com/ https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/typhoon-helmet Edited May 12, 2023 by Faster_Boiiiii 5 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Godvana 533 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) Something worth noting that in March it was announced that the Typhoon ECR would replace the Tornado ECR, not much is known about it though other than its likely payload and the fact it will probably be a twin seater. https://www.eurofighter.com/news-and-events/2019/11/new-eurofighter-electronic-combat-role-ecr-concept-presented-at-the-ifc https://www.airdatanews.com/germany-to-order-15-electronic-warfare-eurofighters-in-addition-to-f-35s/ Edited December 12, 2022 by Godvana Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... FurinaBestArchon 4,618 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) For those interested, yes, there are GAF Eurofighters with PIRATE IRST, this one here is such an example :p Maaaaybee the Tranche 4 will have it as well, too soon to tell. Edited December 12, 2022 by Holouu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... BagelIsMyWaifu 838 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 19 minutes ago, Holouu said: For those interested, yes, there are GAF Eurofighters with PIRATE IRST, this one here is such an example :p To be exact its only seen on 98+XX, which belong to the WTD 61, the Bundeswehr's testing center for aircraft. For example its also mounted on 98+27, prototype DA1 Spoiler 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Lord_Prism 1,826 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, BagelIsMyWaifu said: To be exact its only seen on 98+XX, which belong to the WTD 61, the Bundeswehr's testing center for aircraft. For example its also mounted on 98+27, prototype DA1 Reveal hidden contents In terms of acrobatics and engine power, how strong would the DA1 prototype be compared to say the F-16 or MiG-29 coming soon? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 13 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: In terms of acrobatics and engine power, how strong would the DA1 prototype be compared to say the F-16 or MiG-29 coming soon? It used ej200s so it should be a lot stronger than f-16 and mig-29. Idk how advanced its fbw system was though as that was improved a few times before reaching a great care free handling system Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... BagelIsMyWaifu 838 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: It used ej200s so it should be a lot stronger than f-16 and mig-29. Idk how advanced its fbw system was though as that was improved a few times before reaching a great care free handling system The DA1 first flew with RB 199 Mk.104E 13 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: In terms of acrobatics and engine power, how strong would the DA1 prototype be compared to say the F-16 or MiG-29 coming soon? Cant answer on acrobatics, but the Mk.104 engine had 4130 / 7440 kgf without/with afterburner. But thats without channel losses. The MiG-29 for example has over 25% loss. With a similar value the Mk.104 would go down to 3100 kgf without and 5580 kgf with afterburner. The MiG-29 has 3710 kgf and 6210 kgf respectively, Both have around the same empty weight, so I assume the MiG-29 will have the better substained turn capability Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Lord_Prism 1,826 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 32 minutes ago, BagelIsMyWaifu said: Cant answer on acrobatics, but the Mk.104 engine had 4130 / 7440 kgf without/with afterburner. But thats without channel losses. The MiG-29 for example has over 25% loss. With a similar value the Mk.104 would go down to 3100 kgf without and 5580 kgf with afterburner. The MiG-29 has 3710 kgf and 6210 kgf respectively, Both have around the same empty weight, so I assume the MiG-29 will have the better substained turn capability Given the moveable canards, it may be more maneuverable but less powerful than the 29 engine wise. I know we wont see any hint of a Typhoon until say the Su-27 and F-18 come about, but just comparing some of the very earliest armed prototypes to what we have in game is interesting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Bugblox 57 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 Are there any threads for the UK Eurofighter? or is it just this one for Germany right now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 7 hours ago, BagelIsMyWaifu said: The DA1 first flew with RB 199 Mk.104E It was later fitted with EJ200s Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 I added some more variants that are/were/will be used by the Luftwaffe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... _Iluminas_ 3,769 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 For AIM 120 germany had 3 variants of it A,B and C Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Lord_Prism 1,826 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 9 hours ago, Bugblox said: Are there any threads for the UK Eurofighter? or is it just this one for Germany right now Just the German one, but some overlap will happen 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... ARK_BOI 810 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) Wa what EF2000? lol You guys can’t even get F4F ICE to fight mig 29 and now need EF2000 now maybe 4 years early Edited December 12, 2022 by ARK_BOI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, ARK_BOI said: Wa what EF2000? lol You guys can’t even get F4F ICE to fight mig 29 and now need EF2000 now maybe 4 years early in terms of gaijin adding something to the german air tree? yes in terms of tech and pure performance? no. its not that far away in that regard. i'd say mid 2023 to late 2023 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... ARK_BOI 810 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 23 hours ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: in terms of gaijin adding something to the german air tree? yes in terms of tech and pure performance? no. its not that far away in that regard. i'd say mid 2023 to late 2023 Tbh i want German to get F4F ICE along with fancy RU mig 29 and US f 16 i see those RU and US whining about not let each other dominate each other so let German have some good times might not be a bad idea Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 14, 2022 our first suggestion courtesy of @__Fleks__, thanks for writing it 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... spacenavy90 1,402 Report post Posted December 15, 2022 Bundeswehr Eurofighter HUD over Singapore: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, spacenavy90 said: Bundeswehr Eurofighter HUD over Singapore: you can find all of the terminology online in various manuals but given gaijin's recent post about requiring specific proof of declassification, i won't be sharing anything just saying that if you google things like FM-J-150-A-0002 or OTE 1C-16-1-4, you might find something Edited December 15, 2022 by Faster_Boiiiii 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... FurinaBestArchon 4,618 Report post Posted December 15, 2022 35 minutes ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: just saying that if you google things like FM-J-150-A-0002 or OTE 1C-16-1-4, you might find something Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) Just reading through some reports by the German ministry of defence and it would appear that all German Eurofighters Tranche 2 and later will be equipped with the Spanish-German Captor-E Mk1. Tranche 4 aircraft will be equipped with them from the factory and Tranche 2 and 3 aircraft will receive them after mid 2023 Quote Damit in engem Zusammenhang steht die nach wie vor ab Mitte 2025 geplante Auslieferung und Nutzung der in Entwicklung befindlichen ESCAN-Radare MK1 in den deutschen EUROFIGHTER der Tranchen 2 und 3a sowie den neuen Lfz der Tranche 4. and here's a picture because why not Edited December 15, 2022 by Faster_Boiiiii Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Lord_Prism 1,826 Report post Posted December 15, 2022 The skin makers are gonna go ham with all of the Liveries to add Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: The skin makers are gonna go ham with all of the Liveries to add there's a new one for every occasion lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Lord_Prism 1,826 Report post Posted December 15, 2022 Just now, Faster_Boiiiii said: there's a new one for every occasion lol I personally like the Red Baron ones Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Godvana 533 Report post Posted December 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: I personally like the Red Baron ones I'm partial to the black tulip myself 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 12 Share More sharing options... Followers 3
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 11, 2022 (edited) The German Eurofighter Typhoon This thread is for gathering information about the German 'version' of the Eurofighter. Discussing it, its performance and its weapons in general including sharing pictures is more than welcome. As such, this post is a WIP(!) Short summary: The Eurofighter is a single seat, all weather multi/swing/omni-role fighter jet. Its Deltawing + Foreplane airframe configuration makes it naturally incredibly unstable resulting in great maneuverability but also gives it great supersonic characteristics. The two EJ-200 EuroJet engines produce a combined thrust of 180kN with afterburner, allowing the Eurofighter to reach speeds of up to mach 2.35 and supercruise at speeds of up to mach 1.5(depending on drag). This excessive thrust results in it being capable of climbing vertically while accelerating and sustaining 9Gs in a turn. (for more information you can read suggestions for other tech trees as this post is to gather information about the German version specifically and not the development history: Eurofighter Typhoon F.Mk 2 - "Power, Speed and Outrageous Agility") There's also a Germany specific suggestions: Y'know what, I'll add some general information that might not be well known: ITSPL or Integrated Tip Stub Pylon Launcher Spoiler These launchers are installed on the outer most pylon of the Eurofighter's wings. They cannot be removed and are bolted to the aircraft and not meant to be taken off. They are also strictly for the use of SRAAM(not the British one but Short Range Air to Air Missiles in general) and the AISPOD(which is a NATO training pod). It contains a BOL countermeasure pod like the Harrier GR.7 or the JA 37D(in the outer rails). It can be fitted with chaff and BOL-IR flare packets. This is the reason for why you'll sometimes see Eurofighters with nothing but these 2 rails(sometimes even without missiles). APU Spoiler If you've ever wondered why the Eurofighter has an opening on the left wing where the wing meets the fuselage and why the fuselage above it is often dirty, well: It's the APU's exhaust. The intake is right under the wing in the fuselage but a bit in front of the exhaust and covered by a motorized flap so its only visible during startup. F-35 MADL compatibility Spoiler In 2017 an RAF Eurofighter Typhoon had demonstrated the capability to communicate with an F-35 using its "Stealth" datalink(MADL). This datalink is essentially an extension of the Link 16 and can transmit a lot more information than the typical Link 16 or MIDS. Being able to communicate via this datalink allows for tighter integration with the F-35 and thus also improving the sensor fusion. It would also allow for a better "missile truck" sort of mission where there is an F-35 operating further forward and a Eurofighter with a bunch of missiles operating out of the range of enemy air defenses and using the F-35's sensors to employ its own weapons. Spoiler https://news.northropgrumman.com/news/releases/northrop-grumman-and-royal-air-force-demonstrate-enhanced-airborne-communications-interoperability-between-5th-and-4th-generation-fast-jet-aircraft Towed Radar Decoy(TRD) Spoiler The Eurofighter carries 2 towed decoys in its right wingtip pod. These decoys are part of the EuroDASS and basically act as a jammer/target for missiles to lock onto instead of the Eurofighter itself. The decoys are attached to the Eurofighter via a 100m long Kevlar cable which contains a fibre optic cable for data transfer. According to the manufacturer it's capable of handling speeds of up to Mach 2 and maneuvers from -3 to +9g (most if not all of the Eurofighter's flight envelope) Eurofighter helmet(including HMD), HMSS Spoiler The Eurofighter, like most modern fighter jets, has a sophisticated helmet. This helmet contains audio equipment like microphones and speakers, a visor and similar equipment. It also includes a Helmet Mounted Display(HMD) which allows the pilot to look outside the cockpit and still get essential flight data, like speed, altitude, AoA, etc, while being able to cue weapon systems and slave the radar. This helmet, however, also allows the pilot to target and prioritize targets below and even behind the aircraft through the usage of datalink and sensors on the aircraft(Radar and Missile Warning System). The pilot's head position and rotation is tracked via those small bumps on the helmet. They contain an IR LED which cameras pick up(you can see one right next to the canopy bow in the picture above, there's another one on the other side and there should also be one on top of the seat). This helmet is easily wrongly assumed to be the BAE Striker II helmet but it's not. The Striker II is typically in black, has a larger camera like lens at the front and doesn't have provisions for mounting NVG because that feature is integrated. It is officially known as the HMSS or Helmet Mounted Symbology System According to the Bundeswehr, the Luftwaffe operates 138 Eurofighters(this number varies a lot for some reason but its what the Bundeswehr says sooo). Weapons(only the ones that Germany uses) IRIS-T Spoiler This is an IR guided, highly maneuverable short-ish range missile developed by multiple European countries. It was built to fit on AIM-9L rails and work with AIM-9L software. It's thus possible to install this on any 9L, 9M(and maybe 9X, I dont know what kind of rail or software that has) capable aircraft with no additional software or hardware modifications required. Eurofighter Typhoon is capable of using the digital interface and thus capable of launching at targets(be it missiles or aircraft) behind itself. Meteor Spoiler This is a medium to long range active radar homing missile similar to the AMRAAM except that it uses a solid fuel, air breathing ramjet engine instead of a rocket motor, resulting in a much larger "No Escape Zone" AIM-9L/I Spoiler AIM-9Li is an AIM-9L with an upgraded seeker for better countermeasure rejection The Eurofighter is also capable of carrying regular AIM-9Ls AIM-120 AMRAAM Spoiler medium range active radar homing missile - GBU-54 Spoiler GPS, INS and Laser guided 500Lbs bomb, "LJDAM" GBU-48 Spoiler Laser, GPS and INS guided 1000Lbs bomb Taurus KEPD 350(ongoing/completed) Spoiler Long range guided and powered cruise missile/bomb with bunker penetrating warhead Brimstone II (planned with ordered Tranche 4 - or already in use, unsure) Spoiler radar and/or laser guided ground attack missile (keep in mind that integrating new weapons, especially ones already in use on other Eurofighters, shouldn't be a lengthy process so on a pure technical basis, it should be able to use the weapons that other Eurofighters carry.) Avionics Notible differences to other Eurofighters include: Lack of the PIRATE IRST on *most* German Eurofighters Spoiler GAF Eurofighter RAF(allegedly) Eurofighter you should be able to spot the IRST system on the nose there(the black circle) Germany allegedly retains the right to install this system on their fighters if they deem it necessary(some still have it to this day) No rear MWS on very early models Spoiler in the rear, between the engines and above the parachute door, there is a little stub. The rear MWS antenna goes there and it is not present on some GAF Eurofighter models(and Austrian ones) but this should be a limited number due to Germany not being part of the EuroDASS consortium initially. That seems to have been a lie, Germany re-joined the programme in 1995, years before the Eurofighter entered service with the German Air Force UPDATE!!! It would appear that most Tranche 1 Eurofighters have been UPGRADED and have the rear MWS radar so it SHOULD also get this in game. Older Tranche 2 and 3 aircraft are being fitted with the new Mk1 CAPTOR-E AESA radar thats also being used in the newest Tranche 4 aircraft Spoiler new Mk1 radar ECR-90, aka one of the M-Scan CAPTOR models(idk too much about that yet) German Development, Pre-production and other variants/units DA1 Spoiler The DA1 was the first development Eurofighter and was built by DASA. It was used to develop flight control systems and initially flew with RB 199 Mk.104E(also known as RB199-122) which are based on the Tornado's engines. It was later fitted with EJ200-Series-03Z engines when those were available. It was also used to for IRIS-T integration and had its last flight on the 21st of December 2005. After some research it would appear that this aircraft lacked countermeasures and other DASS(or Defensive Aid Sub System, so basically RWR, ECM, MWS and IFF) systems. It also appears to have lacked a radar because the first Eurofighter with a radar was the DA5. DA5 Spoiler The DA5 is another German development unit but was, unlike the DA1, built by EADS Deutschland in Manching. It was the first Eurofighter to fly with the new ECR-90 radar and with a full avionics suite. It was also used for testing radar absorbent materials and for further avionics/software testing with Autopilot and Autothrust changes. Additionally, it was used for AMRAAM and AIM-9L integration in addition to IRIS-T testing in 2004. IPA3 Spoiler The IPA3(Reg 98-02 because its not visible in this picture) is a pre-production unit, built by EADS Deutschland and a two-seater. It was used for Paveway II integration and Litening III flight tests. It's said to have carried the heaviest load out of all the Eurofighters IPA7 Spoiler The IPA7 is also a pre-production unit and was the first Eurofighter to fly with the Tranche-2 standard. It was used for 500Lbs Paveway testing, MAW system testing and since 2012 also for software testing. in late 2013 it was first used to test Taurus compatibility with the Eurofighter and in 2014 was first used with 2 Taurus(KEPD 350). This is also the Eurofighter that was used to test the AMK or Aerodynamic Modification Kit which is said to greatly increase the Eurofighter's maneuverability and especially AoA capabilities. Unfortunately, no one has bought this modification kit *yet*. IPA8 Spoiler The IPA8 is the last "Instrumented Production Aircraft" in service with the German airforce. It is up to Tranche-3 standard and carries a prototype of the CAPTOR-E AESA radar. These IPA units are all "Instrumented Production Aircraft" meaning that they were taken from the regular production lines but fitted with telemetry instruments. They're all owned by NETMA (NATO EF 2000 and Tornado Development, Production & Logistics Management Agency). Eurofighter ECR Spoiler In November 2019 Airbus introduced a Eurofighter Electronic Combat Role(ECR) concept. Its purpose is to do Supression/Destruction of Enemy Air Defenses(SEAD/DEAD) for the purpose of protecting coalition forces. This variant would enlarge the Eurofighter's multirole capabilities and creatly improve its electronic warfare capabilities. It will have stronger jammers, improved emitter locating capabilities as well as weapons to take out enemy radar systems. Airbus and their partners came up with this concept to meet the GAF requirements for an airborne ECR platform. In March 2022 the Bundestag(German parliament) decided to buy 15 of these Eurofighter ECR variants to replace the aging Tornado ECR and meet the "Luftgestützte Wirkung im Elektromagnetischen Spektrum"(LuWES) requirements. Exact details about this platform aren't available but it is expected to be a two-seater and carry the SPEAR-EW anti radiation missile. This is unconfirmed but it's possible that the ECR is going to be using Hensoldt's Kaeltron Attack Jammer Pod as it's already in development and being tested at the moment. https://dam.hensoldt.net/m/234f80b8c0b265cc/original/Kalaetron-Attack-English.pdf Oh you wanted pictures? why yes of course i will add some :))) First, some fancy liveries: Spoiler Air Ambassador: Ghost Tiger Cyber Tiger Quadringa Tranche 4 Eurofighter 60 year anniversary Bronze Tiger Eagle Star Three Tigers of the Spanish, German(Ghost Tiger) and Italian(Mont de Marsan) air force. Can't find a name for the Spanish one but its from NTM 2018 some of my favorite. as you can tell, there's a lot. Sword of Boelke 60 Years Airbus Manching(i somehow can't find proper pictures anymore so here is a video) Spoiler This is also the Eurofighter that was tested or is still being tested with the Aerodynamic Modification Kit. You can see the wing root extension here you can also see some modifications to the ailerons Richthofen Geschwader 60th Anniversary Richthofen Geschwader(TaktLwG 71) regrouping(?) Steinhoff Geschwader 15 year Eurofighter anniversary Next some "regular" pictures: Spoiler And finally some drawings: Spoiler and here is a size comparison because why not This post is a work in progress so please help me fill it with more information (its also only the initial post so please excuse any mistakes, i'm tired ? ) Spoiler Sources: Ausrüstung und Bewaffnung der Bundeswehr https://www.bundeswehr.de/de/ausruestung-technik-bundeswehr/luftsysteme-bundeswehr/eurofighter Eurofighter Typhoon - Wikipedia Jane's all the world's aircraft 2007-2008 Diehl Defence Eurofighter Jagtflugzeug GmbH Airbus https://eurodass.com/ https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/typhoon-helmet Edited May 12, 2023 by Faster_Boiiiii 5 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godvana 533 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) Something worth noting that in March it was announced that the Typhoon ECR would replace the Tornado ECR, not much is known about it though other than its likely payload and the fact it will probably be a twin seater. https://www.eurofighter.com/news-and-events/2019/11/new-eurofighter-electronic-combat-role-ecr-concept-presented-at-the-ifc https://www.airdatanews.com/germany-to-order-15-electronic-warfare-eurofighters-in-addition-to-f-35s/ Edited December 12, 2022 by Godvana Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FurinaBestArchon 4,618 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) For those interested, yes, there are GAF Eurofighters with PIRATE IRST, this one here is such an example :p Maaaaybee the Tranche 4 will have it as well, too soon to tell. Edited December 12, 2022 by Holouu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagelIsMyWaifu 838 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 19 minutes ago, Holouu said: For those interested, yes, there are GAF Eurofighters with PIRATE IRST, this one here is such an example :p To be exact its only seen on 98+XX, which belong to the WTD 61, the Bundeswehr's testing center for aircraft. For example its also mounted on 98+27, prototype DA1 Spoiler 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Prism 1,826 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 10 minutes ago, BagelIsMyWaifu said: To be exact its only seen on 98+XX, which belong to the WTD 61, the Bundeswehr's testing center for aircraft. For example its also mounted on 98+27, prototype DA1 Reveal hidden contents In terms of acrobatics and engine power, how strong would the DA1 prototype be compared to say the F-16 or MiG-29 coming soon? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 13 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: In terms of acrobatics and engine power, how strong would the DA1 prototype be compared to say the F-16 or MiG-29 coming soon? It used ej200s so it should be a lot stronger than f-16 and mig-29. Idk how advanced its fbw system was though as that was improved a few times before reaching a great care free handling system Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BagelIsMyWaifu 838 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: It used ej200s so it should be a lot stronger than f-16 and mig-29. Idk how advanced its fbw system was though as that was improved a few times before reaching a great care free handling system The DA1 first flew with RB 199 Mk.104E 13 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: In terms of acrobatics and engine power, how strong would the DA1 prototype be compared to say the F-16 or MiG-29 coming soon? Cant answer on acrobatics, but the Mk.104 engine had 4130 / 7440 kgf without/with afterburner. But thats without channel losses. The MiG-29 for example has over 25% loss. With a similar value the Mk.104 would go down to 3100 kgf without and 5580 kgf with afterburner. The MiG-29 has 3710 kgf and 6210 kgf respectively, Both have around the same empty weight, so I assume the MiG-29 will have the better substained turn capability Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Prism 1,826 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 32 minutes ago, BagelIsMyWaifu said: Cant answer on acrobatics, but the Mk.104 engine had 4130 / 7440 kgf without/with afterburner. But thats without channel losses. The MiG-29 for example has over 25% loss. With a similar value the Mk.104 would go down to 3100 kgf without and 5580 kgf with afterburner. The MiG-29 has 3710 kgf and 6210 kgf respectively, Both have around the same empty weight, so I assume the MiG-29 will have the better substained turn capability Given the moveable canards, it may be more maneuverable but less powerful than the 29 engine wise. I know we wont see any hint of a Typhoon until say the Su-27 and F-18 come about, but just comparing some of the very earliest armed prototypes to what we have in game is interesting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugblox 57 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 Are there any threads for the UK Eurofighter? or is it just this one for Germany right now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 7 hours ago, BagelIsMyWaifu said: The DA1 first flew with RB 199 Mk.104E It was later fitted with EJ200s Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 I added some more variants that are/were/will be used by the Luftwaffe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Iluminas_ 3,769 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 For AIM 120 germany had 3 variants of it A,B and C Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Prism 1,826 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 9 hours ago, Bugblox said: Are there any threads for the UK Eurofighter? or is it just this one for Germany right now Just the German one, but some overlap will happen 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARK_BOI 810 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 (edited) Wa what EF2000? lol You guys can’t even get F4F ICE to fight mig 29 and now need EF2000 now maybe 4 years early Edited December 12, 2022 by ARK_BOI Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 12, 2022 1 hour ago, ARK_BOI said: Wa what EF2000? lol You guys can’t even get F4F ICE to fight mig 29 and now need EF2000 now maybe 4 years early in terms of gaijin adding something to the german air tree? yes in terms of tech and pure performance? no. its not that far away in that regard. i'd say mid 2023 to late 2023 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARK_BOI 810 Report post Posted December 13, 2022 23 hours ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: in terms of gaijin adding something to the german air tree? yes in terms of tech and pure performance? no. its not that far away in that regard. i'd say mid 2023 to late 2023 Tbh i want German to get F4F ICE along with fancy RU mig 29 and US f 16 i see those RU and US whining about not let each other dominate each other so let German have some good times might not be a bad idea Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 14, 2022 our first suggestion courtesy of @__Fleks__, thanks for writing it 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacenavy90 1,402 Report post Posted December 15, 2022 Bundeswehr Eurofighter HUD over Singapore: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, spacenavy90 said: Bundeswehr Eurofighter HUD over Singapore: you can find all of the terminology online in various manuals but given gaijin's recent post about requiring specific proof of declassification, i won't be sharing anything just saying that if you google things like FM-J-150-A-0002 or OTE 1C-16-1-4, you might find something Edited December 15, 2022 by Faster_Boiiiii 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FurinaBestArchon 4,618 Report post Posted December 15, 2022 35 minutes ago, Faster_Boiiiii said: just saying that if you google things like FM-J-150-A-0002 or OTE 1C-16-1-4, you might find something Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 15, 2022 (edited) Just reading through some reports by the German ministry of defence and it would appear that all German Eurofighters Tranche 2 and later will be equipped with the Spanish-German Captor-E Mk1. Tranche 4 aircraft will be equipped with them from the factory and Tranche 2 and 3 aircraft will receive them after mid 2023 Quote Damit in engem Zusammenhang steht die nach wie vor ab Mitte 2025 geplante Auslieferung und Nutzung der in Entwicklung befindlichen ESCAN-Radare MK1 in den deutschen EUROFIGHTER der Tranchen 2 und 3a sowie den neuen Lfz der Tranche 4. and here's a picture because why not Edited December 15, 2022 by Faster_Boiiiii Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Prism 1,826 Report post Posted December 15, 2022 The skin makers are gonna go ham with all of the Liveries to add Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faster_Boiiiii 753 Report post Posted December 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: The skin makers are gonna go ham with all of the Liveries to add there's a new one for every occasion lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Prism 1,826 Report post Posted December 15, 2022 Just now, Faster_Boiiiii said: there's a new one for every occasion lol I personally like the Red Baron ones Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Godvana 533 Report post Posted December 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, Lord_Prism said: I personally like the Red Baron ones I'm partial to the black tulip myself 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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i think the Meteor also deserves its own post as the primary long range weaponry of the 3 Eurocanards but I haven't really looked into that too much yet so I'm lacking sources.
@MBDA_Meteor do you have any to share?
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