1.97 Rumor Round-Up and Discussion

[gszabi99_HUN 10,176]

1 hour ago, Cedjoe said:

Couldn’t that one only fire nuclear missiles 

The first 35 F-89Js were equipped with the D's wingtip rocket pod (as the Js were essentially remanufactured Ds) with 104 proxy-fuze FFARs and two MB-1 Ding Dong / AIR-2 Genie nuclear missiles on outer pylons. The remainder were equipped with four GAR-2A / AIM-4C Falcon air-to-air missiles on 2-2 inner pylons, plus the two Genie on outer pylons. Later they came to the conclusion, that keeping the Falcons on pylons will harm them, as the elements will ruin the electronics and cause malfunctions. Their solution to this was to simply abandon them, so in most of its service life, the F-89J was indeed only armed with the Genie, although imo War Thunder doesn't necessarily have to represent it, and rather use the early variants.

 

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Bert Kinzey - F-89 Scorpion in Detail and Scale (D & S, Vol. 41) (1992) - Page 9

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(Aerofax Datagraph 8) Gerald Balzer - Northrop F-89 Scorpion 1990) - Page 34

 

[Cedjoe 5,482]

1 minute ago, gszabi99_HUN said:

The first 35 F-89Js were equipped with the D's wingtip rocket pod (as the Js were essentially remanufactured Ds) with 104 proxy-fuze FFARs and two MB-1 Ding Dong / AIR-2 Genie nuclear missiles on outer pylons. The remainder were equipped with four GAR-2A / AIM-4C Falcon air-to-air missiles on 2-2 inner pylons, plus the two Genie on outer pylons. Later they came to the conclusion, that keeping the Falcons on pylons will harm them, as the elements will ruin the electronics and cause malfunctions. Their solution to this was to simply abandon them, so in most of its service life, the F-89J was indeed only armed with the Genie, although imo War Thunder doesn't necessarily have to represent it, and rather use the early variants.

 

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Bert Kinzey - F-89 Scorpion in Detail and Scale (D & S, Vol. 41) (1992) - Page 9

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(Aerofax Datagraph 8) Gerald Balzer - Northrop F-89 Scorpion 1990) - Page 34

 

Mmh ok thanks for the info. On the model it looks like it doesn't have the outer pylon rockets so maybe it will have the falcon missiles.

[AraMacao 1,164]

Devblog already WTF? I thought these would start late february with update arriving middle of march. Reward vehicle for World War season thingy.

https://warthunder.com/en/news/6560-development-uss-phelps-anti-air-symphony-en

Edited January 22, 2020 by AraMacao

[RytisLTU1 2,585]

Its reward for world war mode not for 1.97

[magazine2 7,957]

Reminder: Dev blog is for WWM, not 1.97  

[gszabi99_HUN 10,176]

@magazine2

You only put the F-89C (30mm) in the main post, but forgot about the F-89C (rockets only). 

On 21/01/2020 at 12:35, gszabi99_HUN said:

US

F-89C (rockets only) https://imgur.com/PVw3mNV

F-89C (30mm) https://imgur.com/Uv5PPzX

Also currently the F-8E(FN) lacks a source in the main post. It's the same as the F-8A's source, so just copying it over should be enough.

[Must_Forgiveher 16]

I don't think we can see modern Chinese tanks such as type99A, type96A or type 15 in the next few patches, as Gaijin never seriously thought about making a enjoyable Chinese tech tree. They only want to grab more money from those ignorant Chinese players.

[OsirisD 4,025]

Can we have also some new reward vehicles for squads? Four is a small number, especially since it is worth buying only the Me-262, maybe also this British plane.

[Target1331 3,055]

9 hours ago, gszabi99_HUN said:

Just a heads-up: You swapped them: Intruder is the bottom one, Pandora is the top one. They are confusing, aren't they? 

Ah darn, was late and I just dumped the pictures in there without doing a control afterwards. Corrected.

 

Best regards,

Phil

[Dan_RAFBC 1,201]

On 17/12/2019 at 10:10, magazine2 said:

Aircraft:

 

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Great British aircraft

• Whirlwind Mk II - Source

 

@magazine2 I think that this is referencing the Whirlwind P.9 not the Mk.II

 

Edited January 22, 2020 by Cyril_BartonVC

[TheAntiAirGuy 2,131]

2 hours ago, Must_Forgiveher said:

I don't think we can see modern Chinese tanks such as type99A, type96A or type 15 in the next few patches, as Gaijin never seriously thought about making a enjoyable Chinese tech tree. They only want to grab more money from those ignorant Chinese players.

And that's pretty much a doom loop Gaijjn has gotten themselves in! 

 

They decided to rush out China without any of their interesting MBTs and other vehicles and Anti-Air. So of course the interest on this tech-tree isn't that big, meaning the sales on this poorly chosen T-62 premium most likely weren't so good or after the first initial batch of sales it stagnated really quickly. And now Gaijin thinks people aren't interested in China and/or that it simply doesn't sell good enough, so the development of Chinese vehicles will be really slow, further lowering the interest of potential player to this tree. 

 

And because of this I really 1.97 won't have Swedish tanks in it and it will rather be an Aircraft and China focused update. At least the first ZTZ99 and Radar SPAA seem plausible 

[gszabi99_HUN 10,176]

56 minutes ago, Cyril_BartonVC said:

@magazine2 I think that this is referencing the Whirlwind P.9 not the Mk.II

 

Could be, as the video is from December 2017, and the P.9 was released in March 2018. Maybe we really did overthink it.

[______BlackCat13 342]

this aint

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Can we have also some new reward vehicles for squads? Four is a small number, especially since it is worth buying only the Me-262, maybe also this British plane.

 

the place for  that and the Wall-E is the best one

Edited January 22, 2020 by ______BlackCat13

[magazine2 7,957]

On 21/01/2020 at 11:35, gszabi99_HUN said:

Nearly all greyed vehicles can still be viewed in CDK (except the German B-24D and IL-4, and the Chinese B-24M, because they are outdated. The H-75A-5, A-6, A-7 and M were never in the international CDK, only in the Chinese one. They only have FM/DM files, like so many others.):

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(Following your structuring)

 

Germany

B-17G https://imgur.com/mMGaBlC

MiG-3 https://imgur.com/N6XJxWw

Mosquito FB Mk. VI https:/B-/imgur.com/UcJTeS6

P-39Q-5 https://imgur.com/x96Nu8n

P-51B (Mustang Mk. Ia) https://imgur.com/ShCtUuO

Pe-2-359 https://imgur.com/VcDOGqV

 

UK

Bf 109F-4 https://imgur.com/NRWd0AD

Boston Mk. II https://imgur.com/N0SDJjF

J2M3 https://imgur.com/hUjrFVg

Catalina Mk. I https://imgur.com/PWeE997

Catalina Mk. I RAAF https://imgur.com/Di2G8Kr

 

US

J2M3 https://imgur.com/8azlEmK

 

USSR

PBY-5 https://imgur.com/Q4wytjG

 

Japan

LaGG-3-8 https://imgur.com/pFL4Otr

 

China

A6M5 https://imgur.com/y8IrrYE

B-17G https://imgur.com/nFVP7jb

La-7 https://imgur.com/bbG9IeW

Pe-2-359 https://imgur.com/oLZuNCR

 

Sweden (Finland)

Pe-3bis https://imgur.com/G2qqqyn

 

Netherlands

B-25J-30 https://imgur.com/0LDcT1O

 

Italy

D.520 https://imgur.com/9yeM4ei

 

The Thai F8F-1B became a Marketplace skin.

 

What is missing from your list:

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Models:

US

F-89C (rockets only) https://imgur.com/PVw3mNV

F-89C (30mm) https://imgur.com/Uv5PPzX

F-89J https://imgur.com/1DniQi5

P-66 https://imgur.com/tSJckW3

PBM-1 https://imgur.com/tz1Ups0 It's been removed since then.

PBM-5a https://imgur.com/7VjOQFz It's been removed since then.

AH-64A https://imgur.com/8vW78OH

AH-64D https://imgur.com/2yzRa2T

AH-64A Peten https://imgur.com/FvbG3YF

 

Germany

Bf 110C-4 (The C-7 came in its stead in 1.79, unused since then.) https://imgur.com/Qcyej9y

 

USSR

DB-3A https://imgur.com/hQwJO30

Gudkov K-37 https://imgur.com/fSLjPaQ

MiG-19S https://imgur.com/ALKUe47

 

UK

Hurricane Mk. I (The Hurricane Mk. I/late came in its stead, unused since then.) https://imgur.com/AmeK6XL

Mustang Mk. IA (p_51_mk1a) (The current one uses the p_51b model) https://imgur.com/WshYce6

Cruiser Tank, Ram II https://imgur.com/ez0rtSi

SGB (S309) “Grey Goose” https://imgur.com/26MxD7e

AH Mk. 1 https://imgur.com/7EZihNe

 

Japan

Ki-45 ko tei https://imgur.com/sR2NMZ8

Ki-45 hei tei https://imgur.com/L6U1GDp

Type K-8 (1942) https://imgur.com/uoI32Ld

 

China

ZTZ-69-IIa https://imgur.com/Dwrnac3

 

Italy

M14/41 (47/40 Mod. 38) https://imgur.com/bhIi7B5

Semovente 75/34 M43 Bersaglieri https://imgur.com/BawBVLa It's been removed since then.

 

France

H-75A-1 (1939) https://imgur.com/Rw7Be0c

 

 

 

Skins:

US

A-29 https://imgur.com/uKS74DI

F2A-3 (USMC) https://imgur.com/dqKONOm

F2A-3 (USNF) https://imgur.com/tneHagM

F4U-4 (VMF-232) https://imgur.com/z6wBkuw

G.91 R/1 https://imgur.com/WinIl5w

P-40F-10 (trop) https://imgur.com/1mRibRp

 

Germany

F-86K https://imgur.com/xzpk0ol

Hurricane Mk. I/late https://imgur.com/iGh9lQG

La-5F https://imgur.com/uTgcA2K

LeO 451 https://imgur.com/co7EhkG

P-51D-5 https://imgur.com/Bm4cvbr

Typhoon Mk. Ib https://imgur.com/wbbLl6Q

Typhoon Mk. Ib/late https://imgur.com/xYFAhoi

 

USSR

La-9 (North Korea) https://imgur.com/iyQskeX

 

UK

Lincoln B. Mk. I https://imgur.com/PtislRt

Welkin F. Mk. I https://imgur.com/ImemzvS It's been removed since then.

Welkin F. Mk. I/late https://imgur.com/LXCtdSB It's been removed since then.

 

China

A6M2 (PRC) https://imgur.com/JeQRtQg

I-15 https://imgur.com/xjpAVTa

I-153 (M-62) (PRC) https://imgur.com/QNQagqT

I-16 Type 17 https://imgur.com/BuMkI6s

MiG-15 https://imgur.com/VaHZzJP

MiG-15bis (NS-23) https://imgur.com/nbCZmNp

P-40E (PRC) https://imgur.com/06SVT3p

P-47D-23 (Aluminium) https://imgur.com/1fqj47C & (Green) https://imgur.com/2akPbur

P-51D-30 https://imgur.com/4njNce8

SB-2 (M-103U) (MV-3) https://imgur.com/ZuqXtDm

 

Italy

LeO 451 https://imgur.com/571yT3p

 

France

D.520 (1944) https://imgur.com/BwWJyOs

D.520 (Vichy) (early) https://imgur.com/rGKEclF

D.520 (Vichy) https://imgur.com/gAKyabJ

P-40F-10 https://imgur.com/8EbwwZh

 

Yugoslavia

Fury Mk. Ia https://imgur.com/tuDNJ1q

 

Spain

Tiger HAD https://imgur.com/4JTYQ7P

Tiger HAP https://imgur.com/dOi5Ral

 

 

 

Only FM/DM files:

USA

Porter (1944) (Tier III, 4.3, 2980 GE prem) It came before update 1.95, but was removed right before the update. Only FM/DM files remain.

 

Germany

Pz. Kpfw. 35(t) (Romania Mare)

 

USSR

MiG-3 (Romania)

MiG-3U

Su-6 (AM-42) (23mm)

T-26 1938

 

UK

Shackleton MR. Mk. I

 

China

Ha-Go

 

France

B-25J-30

H-75A-3

H-75A-3 (Vichy)

 

Sweden (Finland)

H-75A-3 (Finland)

 

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To avoid further confusion, here are the ones from Target's list that are not greyed out. I left these out from my initial list, as I only wanted to complement his, and not overwrite it.

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US

A-35B https://imgur.com/sHv7UTB

F6F-3 (The F6F-5 came in its stead, unused since then.) https://imgur.com/8jxhv9W

There are no US P-51Bs in the CDK or anywhere else, apart from those already ingame.

PBJ-1J-1 https://imgur.com/JfNTY85

PV-2 https://imgur.com/bx27XbT

SB2C-5 https://imgur.com/tIZ0IZh

TBD-1 (1937) https://imgur.com/UhRJtXl

 

Germany

H-75A-2 https://imgur.com/AiDIdV9

H-75A-4 https://imgur.com/lra6ZEm

 

USSR

I-16 Type 17 https://imgur.com/BuMkI6s

LaGG-3-1 https://imgur.com/hNCfJo7

LaGG-3-29 https://imgur.com/wA9mhSH

MiG-15bis (NS-23) https://imgur.com/oG6VJVi

SB-2M-100a (Spain) https://imgur.com/pDlsjrL

 

UK

H-75A-4 (Mohawk IV) https://imgur.com/7zad8VV

Havoc Mk. I Pandora https://imgur.com/vzXCkLZ

Hornet Mk. I https://imgur.com/iUF38fG

Intruder Mk. I https://imgur.com/eY9SAJ6

 

Intruder Mk. II https://imgur.com/h55zPoO

Maryland Mk. I https://imgur.com/RT1SoBL

Mustang Mk. I https://imgur.com/KhK7rLr

 

Japan

G4M1 (post Summer-1943) https://imgur.com/Waj5SmV

G8N2 https://imgur.com/ZkWPBWu

Ki-43-III ko https://imgur.com/i2OnG8q

 

China

D.510C https://imgur.com/33jUQX7

P-26A-35 https://imgur.com/ArJAa6I

 

France

H-75A-2 https://imgur.com/a3HMmRc

 

Sweden (Finland)

H-75A-1 (Finland) https://imgur.com/zoCpg7U

H-75A-4 (Finland) https://imgur.com/FLEdzPe

 

 

I was in the process of adding all these, I got to the end, and when I went to click on the thread's tab, I clicked on another tab, it went to another page and all changes were not saved.

 

So I'll do it another day.

 

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[shanrocks1 383]

Any new leaks on fixing spawns in game for high tier battles? Or adding the supposed "carrier" update to the ingame models? Adding Sams to air rb at top tier matches or atleast make aa somewhat effective at aircraft going mach 1? This game really needs to update small stuff like this. Having 1 mini update per year that just focuses on improving stuff like this wouldn't kill anybody and would improve player retention. Also any map reworks? 

[Stavroforos 15,367]

No rumours on almost anything solid at this point as far as I know. 

[gszabi99_HUN 10,176]

The only rumors connected to 1.97 are the 4 Apache models found in 1.95, with the AH-64A Peten's (and thus the update's) supposed release date of 10 March 2020 (Australian PSN Store, not just a random website: https://archive.md/yGXHc), and the F-4EJ Kai (see main post).

[Tubby_Vermin 2,161]

i'm eager to find out whats coming!!

[Flame2512 3,384]

35 minutes ago, gszabi99_HUN said:

The only rumors connected to 1.97 are the 4 Apache models found in 1.95, with the AH-64A Peten's (and thus the update's) supposed release date of 10 March 2020 (Australian PSN Store, not just a random website: https://archive.md/yGXHc), and the F-4EJ Kai (see main post).

 

If they have only started research on the F-4EJ Kai then there is practically no chance of it coming in 1.97 (or probably for a couple of patches afterwards)

Edited January 24, 2020 by Flame2512

[Stavroforos 15,367]

8 minutes ago, Flame2512 said:

 

If they have only started research on the F-4EJ Kai then there is practically no chance of it coming in 1.97 (or probably for a couple of patches afterwards)

From previous blogs that I have in mind, I think when the Japanese website says "we've started research," it usually means it's very near completion. 

[gszabi99_HUN 10,176]

11 minutes ago, Flame2512 said:

 

If they have only started research on the F-4EJ Kai then there is practically no chance of it coming in 1.97 (or probably for at least a couple of patches afterwards)

A year ago a similar DMM article was posted on December 31 2018 about the Type 74 (G), and it came in 1.87. The F-4EJ Kai article was posted on December 31 2019, so it's not that unreasonable to expect it in 1.97.

[Fireraid233 4,274]

1 hour ago, gszabi99_HUN said:

The only rumors connected to 1.97 are the 4 Apache models found in 1.95, with the AH-64A Peten's (and thus the update's) supposed release date of 10 March 2020 (Australian PSN Store, not just a random website: https://archive.md/yGXHc), and the F-4EJ Kai (see main post).

There's also possible Swedish tanks.

[Tubby_Vermin 2,161]

3 minutes ago, Fireraid233 said:

There's also possible Swedish tanks.

 

100% there's going to be Swedish Tanks

Edited January 24, 2020 by Tubby_Vermin

[MERTRAL 1,685]

7 hours ago, Tubby_Vermin said:

 

100% there's going to be Swedish Tanks

Almost 100% too for my...

 

 

oh sorry.

 

I can’t wait.

[sebsav 1,544]

8 minutes ago, MERTRAL said:

Almost 100% too for my...

 

 

oh sorry.

 

I can’t wait.

Again, it will be just another outdated and semi useless French jet... 

So I fail to see any hype about it...